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To: chesley
We either have free will, or we are nothing but animals. The two positions are comprehensive and mutually exclusive.

That doesn’t mean that the temptations that we are subject to are exactly the same for all of us.

Exactly.

Well, let's be clear on the definition of free will...as I am not trying to get into a religious predestination discussion here.

59 posted on 12/22/2010 6:47:12 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring
Free Will OK, I don't know where predestination comes into this discussion, though, as we are not actually discussing whether God selects some for salvation, and not others.

I am making the assumption here that you will agree that God has given Man a few moral laws, including a prohibition against homosexual acts.

So, on that assumption, and realizing that all mankind, including even Jesus, are subject to temptation, Free Will is the ability to act on those temptations and sin, or reject them.

So even if homosexual lusts are genetic, or occur during the development of the fetus, or in events happening in early childhood, we have no more excuse for giving in than we do for any other type of fornication, also forbidden by God to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike.

Now, there are other ways to argue against homosexual practices, but Free Will is a fundamental religious concept, so that is how I choose to argue it.

The same argument would apply to any other sin, or moral decision. We don't have to give into our dark desires. We may not be able to keep from having them.

60 posted on 12/22/2010 7:18:47 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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