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To: Gondring

Are you seriously implying homosexuals have no free will? Do you believe it’s impossible for a homosexual to change?

Listen, we’re all tempted to do all manner of harmful, aka sinful, things. I’m heterosexual. Surprisingly enough, I somehow remain faithful to my wife in spite of my heterosexual tendencies and the general availability of other women. I have the FREE WILL to resist temptation. That’s fundamental Christian thought. Not only that, but it’s reality. No one has to act on their temptations.

Personally, I think gender is far more mutable than most people are willing to admit. Men who would probably never engage in sodomy in free life apparently enjoy buggering their cellmates in prison. Either they were all born with homosexual tendencies, or they adapted to their environment.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 6:15:24 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Consider me a "Domestic Extremist" for believing, "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave!")
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To: CitizenUSA

Free Will on action or to stop desires?


13 posted on 12/20/2010 6:19:34 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: CitizenUSA; Gondring; Kenny Bunk; Kaslin
The counsling major at the center of this story, Jennifer Keeton, in fact is defending the enlightened proposition that homosexuals are rational beings.

Rational beings can control their behavior: imperfectly at first, yet they can choose long-term straategies to achieve more and responsible and intelligent control.

Rational beings can influence their own feelings and reactions to bring them into harmony with their beliefs and values: yes, imperfectly at first, yet they can take steps over time to achieve deeper and broader harmony.

All of this is certainly limited and modified by one's genome, one's prenatal hormonal influences, one's early childhood development, environmental factors, altereed brain physiology due to traumas, and all the rest. But the will to modify one's life over time, the discipline to understand one's past influences, and the intelligence to shape a realistic strategyof self-determination, is part of our endowment as human beings.

These are axioms about a human person's nature as a rational being. These axioms are found in Christianity, but also in secular and humanist fields such as "education" and "counseling," which necessarily assume that people have some degree of power to understand their history and shape their destiny. If this were not so, why bother with "counseling" at all?

If it were actually true that homosexuals in particular, or people in general, are incapable to modifying their own attitudes and behavior, there would be no point in having a "re-education program", no point in having counseling programs, and no point in having Augusta State University.

29 posted on 12/20/2010 7:07:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks the reason for the hope you have." 1 Peter 3:15)
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