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1 posted on 12/16/2010 4:52:18 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hear hear!

BA in English/Classics, minor in French.
MA in Latin - emphasis in Late Republic, early Empirical poetry.

Super-size that for you?

;)


2 posted on 12/16/2010 4:55:36 AM PST by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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Just this semester it has become clear to me that even very bright students increasingly do not know how to use books and don’t give a damn that they don’t know how. They view the Internet as the Reality rather than as a message board on which materials that exist in reality are posted virtually. They have no concept that a book exists out there, was written, edited, translated, published by someone. They find it on the Internet and cite to the Internet as the reality of this piece of data.

They have no concept of the blood, sweat, tears that went into transcribing, editing, translating that work. To them it’s just one of billions of items in ether. They confuse a convenient medium for disseminating data with the data themselves.

Increasingly they have no concept of time-consuming, careful writing and crafting of communication. They view information as instantaneous.

But it’s not, at least not all of it. The more ephemeral produced-for-Internet stuff, yes. But they have little idea that much of what pops up in a Google search has a life of its own, sometimes a life of thousands of years, and that being carried on the Internet is just a mask, just the latest in millennia of media for transmitting information.

Am I wrong to think that the inability to distinguish the virtual from the real is a real loss to intelligent living?


4 posted on 12/16/2010 5:04:35 AM PST by Houghton M.
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The concept of a university education was that it acquainted its bearer with the UNIVERSE of human ideas, not just a narrow sampling of trade crafts. In an increasingly illiterate society, we need MORE time in the arts and humanities, not less.


7 posted on 12/16/2010 5:32:20 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Kaslin

My oldest daughter got a pure Liberal Arts degree at Thomas More College in New Hampshire and went from that to an LSU MBA. The education at TM was superb. She got intense Western Civ and the Founders, philosophical and political, of the Republic and of Christianity. She got the best of English Literature and of History and learned Greek(Latin, too but she had already got that in HS). She had a fine grounding in the roots of the Republic and our Culture and Nation. She was ready for anything and had a very successful, if short, career as a businesswoman, and she had no illusions about what governments can do for people and economies.


8 posted on 12/16/2010 5:37:41 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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Instead, universities too often graduated zealous advocates who lacked the broadly educated means to achieve their predetermined politicized ends.

And now they're running the country. (Do I gotta name names?)

13 posted on 12/16/2010 6:00:45 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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Send your kids to K12 schools that offer a rigorous classical curriculum. They’re popping up all over the country, usually as charters. Parents want this for their kids. They are tired of progressive indoctrination masquerading as education.


15 posted on 12/16/2010 6:05:17 AM PST by goldi (')
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So let me chime in with my own elitist opinion...

I love the idea of a true liberal arts education. At West Point as an engineering student, I was required to also study history, a foreign language, law, economics, and political science. Conversely, my roommates majoring in Arabic or history were required to take physics and engineering.

Yet I also believe that our society overrates college and undervalues trade schools. College is not the right fit for everyone.

But we need to rescue the "softer subjects" from the domination of Marxist professors who teach crap instead of teaching students to think.

18 posted on 12/16/2010 6:12:47 AM PST by Lysandru
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Good article by VDH. The current state of liberal arts and contemporary academia are like the small town with one intersection and stop sign. The local cop likes to sit there and let his buddies run the intersection with impunity, but he will regularly ticket those he doesn't like or those from out of town, even if they come to a complete stop at the intersection.

The distortion and perversion that is taking place doesn't invalidate the legitimacy of stop signs at intersection; in fact, when used properly, they're a pretty good idea, and so it is with the liberal arts which, when properly taught play a critical role in transmitting and preserving western civilization. I suspect this is precisely why they have become deliberately infested and corrupted by those who would choose to destroy it.

22 posted on 12/16/2010 6:28:23 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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I did two years at a school that proclaimed itself to be a “liberal arts school”, between my stints at community college and grad school. I was consciously taking two years to do what I hoped would further my broad education that I acquired being homeschooled.

I did not. Most places that claim to offer “liberal arts” miss the entire point. They serve up a listing of courses that look like liberal arts but teach them exactly the same as anything else. If the point is to learn “how to think”, they are missing the mark. I didn’t realize what they were trying to do until I started researching classical education in preparation for homeschooling my toddler.

Now, that said, I think classical/liberal arts proponents are usually missing a necessary emphasis on science, math, and technologies. As a software engineer married to a mechanical engineer, we want our kids to be well rounded thinkers, yes, but we are going to put a lot of weight on calculus and physics and encourage them to get a practical degree like engineering or medicine.


24 posted on 12/16/2010 6:31:34 AM PST by JenB
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BS in Electrical Engineering with a minor in History.

"Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!" Georges Santayan

Plus, it is always nice to be able to communicate with the folks at Starbucks and McDonald's at their level.

25 posted on 12/16/2010 6:31:42 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We didn't limit out, but we nailed a bunch of RATS!)
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Citizens -- shocked and awed by technological change -- become overwhelmed by the Internet, cable news, talk radio, video games and popular culture of the moment. Without links to our past heritage, we in ignorance begin to think our own modern challenges -- the war in Afghanistan, gay marriage, cloning or massive deficits -- are unique and don't raise issues comparable to those dealt with and solved in the past.

...

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

30 posted on 12/16/2010 6:37:14 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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The daughter of a friend of mine has a PhD in philosophy. She works as a veterinary assistant.
42 posted on 12/16/2010 7:15:03 AM PST by Excellence (Buy Progresso, take off the label, write "not halal," mail to Campbell's soup company.)
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The Liberal Arts were never intended to be vocational training.


43 posted on 12/16/2010 7:22:08 AM PST by Oratam
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Liberal Arts should be a part of the overall education, not the whole.


50 posted on 12/16/2010 8:50:47 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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...how civilization was lost in fifth-century Rome...

All the fault of Appius Claudius and the Decemvirs. Once the plebeians could read the Twelve Tables, it was downhill all the way. Unless he means the fifth century A.D.

56 posted on 12/16/2010 2:17:45 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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But the liberal arts train students to write, think and argue inductively, while drawing upon evidence from a shared body of knowledge.

And revel in the accomplishments of a creative genius who presents a urine soaked crucifix as art. Bah Humbug! ^3

57 posted on 12/16/2010 2:33:44 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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