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NRA-led gun lobby wields powerful influence over ATF, U.S. politics
Washington Post ^ | December 14, 2010 | Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimadli

Posted on 12/14/2010 8:06:22 PM PST by Second Amendment First

Behind the scenes, federal agents in charge of stopping gun trafficking to Mexico have quietly advanced a plan to help stem the smuggling of high-powered AK-47s and AR-15s to the bloody drug war south of the border.

The controversial proposal by officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives calls for a measure strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association: requiring gun dealers to report multiple sales of rifles and shotguns to ATF.

The gun issue is so incendiary and fear of the NRA so great that the ATF plan languished for months at the Justice Department, according to some senior law enforcement officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity but would not provide details.

The NRA got wind of the idea last month and warned its 4 million members in a "grassroots alert" that the administration might try to go around Congress to get such a plan enacted as an executive order or rule.

An ATF spokesman declined to comment about the matter. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. declined to be interviewed but released a statement saying "the administration continues to support common-sense measures to stem gun violence."

In the past few days, the plan has quietly gained traction at Justice. But sources told The Post they fear that if the plan becomes public, the NRA will marshal its forces to kill it.

Such is the power of the NRA. With annual revenue of about $250 million, the group has for four decades been the strongest force shaping the nation's gun laws.

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In this year's midterm elections, 80 percent of the 307 House and Senate backed by the NRA were victorious, a Post analysis of the NRA's endorsements shows. About half of incoming House members got NRA backing, the analysis shows. In the Senate, the NRA says the number of A-rated senators is now 50.

NRA officials say their efforts protect the rights of gun owners. "We don't represent criminals who misuse firearms," said Chris W. Cox, director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. "We don't represent dealers who willfully and knowingly violate the law. We represent honest, law-abiding people, including honest dealers who are often targeted in an unfortunate way."

Last year, the NRA perturbed ATF agents by sending dealers an article by an industry lawyer. "You never, ever have to speak to an ATF agent or inspector," the article said. "You have the absolute right not to answer any questions that an inspector may pose to you."

Another reason morale is low, ATF agents say, is the firearms bureau has been without a permanent director since 2006, when Congress required the position to be confirmed by the Senate. The effect was to give the gun lobby power to block a director - one senator can hold up any nomination, and the Senate needs 60 votes to overcome that opposition.

1 posted on 12/14/2010 8:06:24 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

So whats the magic # of guns you are allowed to purchase over the course of a lifetime?
How many a month? Year?


2 posted on 12/14/2010 8:16:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts.....)
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To: Second Amendment First

If it were true, then why hasn’t the NRA stopped the ATF from the abuses it’s been committing over the past few decades and continues to commit?

Sorry, but the NRA has lost whatever ability to maintain being the 800 pound gorilla in the corner. Maybe they’ll get a clue before they lose it all and actually represent gun owners for real.


3 posted on 12/14/2010 8:17:36 PM PST by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Don’t answer questions from an ATF agent, and you can loose your license. Yes you might be able to appeal and get it back, but most gun stores don’t have that much money.


4 posted on 12/14/2010 8:20:25 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mylife

If were up to liberals the number would be zero.


5 posted on 12/14/2010 8:25:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Second Amendment First
"...federal agents in charge of stopping gun trafficking to Mexico have quietly advanced a plan to help stem the smuggling of high-powered AK-47s and AR-15s to the bloody drug war south of the border."

First of all, show me a "high powered" AK-47 or AR-15. Yet again, the drive-by media prove they know nothing of firearms.

Secondly, this claim that most weapons used by Mexican drug cartels were imported from the USA is just more anti-gun BS. True, most of those weapons that can be tracked turn out to have been imported from the USA. However, what you won't hear from the ATF or the drive-by media is that the vast majority of weapons seized from the cartels can't be tracked! Furthermore, it's a cinch that many of those US weapons that are seized in Mexico were originally supplied by the US government, when they were training the Zetas in their pre-cartel days.

But I'm probably preaching to the choir.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

6 posted on 12/14/2010 8:26:03 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: Second Amendment First
Behind the scenes, federal agents in charge of stopping gun trafficking to Mexico have quietly advanced a plan to help stem the smuggling of high-powered AK-47s and AR-15s to the bloody drug war south of the border.

The big lie is repeated again. No AK47s are made in the USA. The vast majority of arms used by the cartels cannot be traced, and are manufactured in China, Russia, Korea, South America, Israel, Europe etc. That includes stuff like RPGs, heavy machine guns, and all kinds of other military armaments that clearly don't come from your local gun store.

7 posted on 12/14/2010 8:33:02 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: wku man

Yep, sitting out here in the choir.
The only guns traced to the US are the only guns traced.
Wonder what they would say about a WWI Lee Enfield 30-06?


8 posted on 12/14/2010 8:33:47 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Thanks for the info. Now I know why my dad, a lifetime NRA member, just sent another donation and talked Sunday about how BHO’s trying to disarm the people. I knew this in general, but didn’t know about this specific, latest action until I read your post. Now I can tell him I understand what he was referring to.


9 posted on 12/14/2010 8:37:44 PM PST by llandres
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Waiting for the “The NRA will never get anther dime from from me” crowd to show up.

...3,2,1


10 posted on 12/14/2010 8:40:39 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: mylife

Isn’t the ATF the agency that spent $80 million to stop 16 guns from going to Mexico recently? Talk about efficiency.


11 posted on 12/14/2010 8:45:43 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Second Amendment First
Don Davis, 77, has run Don's Guns and Galleries in Indianapolis for 37 years and says he is one of the highest-volume dealers in the region. A big supporter of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, Davis resigned from the NRA many years ago. "They used to be an organization for the hunter and the fishermen," he said recently. "Then they got into politics. They're so political, that's what they do with their money. Today if you say anything about a gun, they use their money to run against you."

Where do they dig up these people?

"Highest-volume dealers in the region" my ass. I know a lot of people who don't like the NRA, but it sure as hell isn't because they're "too political".

This guy must play golf with Zumbo.

12 posted on 12/14/2010 8:47:29 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: Hugin

Grover Norquist....Look it up young’n....or if you are to busy to......A history lesson, GN..Long time nra board member AND the muslim terrorist front group C.A.I.R’s front man, agenda setter, policy maker, and fund raiser. Yeah, tell us all here at FR about how great the now liberal supporting candidates, plus their MUSLIM loving terrorist, Grover Norquist in their fold, nra, is. go ahead sonny, fill us all in.


13 posted on 12/14/2010 9:18:50 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Hugin
Waiting for the “The NRA will never get anther dime from from me” crowd to show up.

Hello. I see you've been expecting me.

14 posted on 12/14/2010 9:19:10 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy

see my post 13....the muslim loving nra can just leave.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 9:22:40 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Second Amendment First

What the H*ll is a “high powered” AR-15?


16 posted on 12/14/2010 9:38:17 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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"First of all, show me a "high powered" AK-47 or AR-15"

Thank you. I love my AK, but there is nothing "high powered" about it. High-capacity yes.......
17 posted on 12/14/2010 9:40:16 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: Second Amendment First
If you're going to make up a threat out of whole cloth, try harder:


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

18 posted on 12/14/2010 9:56:07 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: wku man
First of all, show me a "high powered" AK-47 or AR-15.

Every gun is "high powered" to the Leftist media. Especially those "Glock Revolvers..."

19 posted on 12/14/2010 9:58:39 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Hugin
Waiting for the “The NRA will never get anther dime from from me” crowd to show up. ...3,2,1
20 posted on 12/14/2010 10:01:54 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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