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Army birther pleads guilty to 1 of 2 charges
AP ^ | December 14, 2010 | AP

Posted on 12/14/2010 9:25:59 AM PST by Smokeyblue

An Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has pleaded guilty to 1 of 2 charges against him.

At a court-martial proceeding Tuesday in Maryland, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin of Greeley, Colo., pleaded guilty to not meeting with a superior when ordered to do so and not showing up at Fort Campbell in Kentucky where he was supposed to report.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen
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To: butterdezillion

Yes, if Lakin had indisputable proof that Obama was ineligible, it would still be irrelevant to his court martial proceeding. His superior commissioned officers’ orders were legal under Title 10.


701 posted on 12/15/2010 10:59:31 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: humblegunner

If Obama ordered Mike to round you up and send you to a camp, would Mike do it? It would be a lawful order, now that we’ve accepted the precedent of “Constitution be damned”.

Or would he end up exactly like Lt Col Lakin?


702 posted on 12/15/2010 11:02:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: mojitojoe; BuckeyeTexan
You said it wasn't you and said I was a fool to believe it.

Oh you're a fool in far more ways than just that.

But since you keep bringing it up, now I have to wonder.

I'd get back to your source and try to get the pictures provenance. Something you treasure that highly should be better documented.

SAVE THEM IT YOUR COMPUTER this time moron.

The problem is that this is only one of the photos that you've posted claiming to be of me. And a recent one at that. The only conclusion that anyone can draw is that you are so damned inept that you can't even keep your bullshit straight.

703 posted on 12/15/2010 11:05:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: butterdezillion
"To this day we don’t know if the orders Lakin received were lawful."
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Quite the contrary. Judge Lind ruled they were lawful. Neal Puckett concurred with Judge Lind's decision. And yesterday LTC Lakin swore under oath that he knew the orders to be lawful -- even at the time he was disobeying them.

If you still think there's any doubt, please give a legal argument. Right now you're just repeating the same old assertions with nothing but your opinions to back them up.
704 posted on 12/15/2010 11:06:25 AM PST by BigGuy22
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To: butterdezillion

Please stop it. You’re gonna piss off JimRob and get yourself banned. Skip to post #659. Then debate from there. The questions you’re currently posting have been addressed.


705 posted on 12/15/2010 11:09:07 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

But even at that he had to commit forgery and perjury to see it done, and he had to get the HDOH to hide their Administrative Rules and break the Federal General False Statement Act. And Nancy Pelosi had to perjure herself by claiming Obama was Constitutionally eligible and/or “the duly chosen candidate of the DNC.”

I do want the loopholes closed so we never have this happen again. But even as things are right now, it was only able to happen because of crimes committed. Unless and until the people who committed those crimes are served justice, Soros wins and America loses.


706 posted on 12/15/2010 11:12:49 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

You equate orders to deploy to an ongoing conflict, predating
the current resident of the White House, to orders to round up
American citizens inside the continental U.S.?

You’re reaching. Really reaching.

I know, you’re all riled up over this.
You may be allowing your anger to cloud your judgment.


707 posted on 12/15/2010 11:13:24 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Placemarker.


708 posted on 12/15/2010 11:13:28 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Red Steel

What I can say is that he would never answer my questions. Preferred the Alinsky route. Until I encountered him I actually thought that the military would do the right thing. I’ve now seen another side of the military, and it’s a reality I have a hard time dealing with - mostly because the military people I have known have all been the honorable kind.

Nidal Hasan made it blatantly obvious that the military is being targeted by our enemies. The Islamists and communists have ALWAYS said they would destroy us from within, by getting the camel’s nose under the tent and then blowing the whole thing up in our faces.

I hate it that the camel’s nose is in the White House.


709 posted on 12/15/2010 11:25:25 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: mills044

Thanks for the kind words and for understanding what I’m about.

I’m thinking of asking at the nearest recruiting office if there’s any way I could serve a week of Lakin’s sentence, since he is the one person who has been willing to stand in for me. God knows my elected officials haven’t - not my Rep or Senators, not my governor, AG, or SOS. Nor any of the political appointees such as the US attorney, nor any supposed “law enforcement” such as the FBI.

The one person in this nation who has stood in for me, with standing to demand answers, is Lt Col Lakin.

I would gladly serve a week of his sentence. And if they wouldn’t let me serve it FOR him, I’ll ask if they’ll at least let me serve it WITH him.

My only question is who would be the right people to ask.


710 posted on 12/15/2010 11:38:04 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

My own reading is that there is no requirement in the Constitution for the the taking of the oath or affirmation to be in public. If there are witnesses to the oath or affirmation then it stands.

There have in fact been private unrecorded swearing ins on the death of a sitting president so it’s not completly unprecedented.

Yes the President would be able to issue orders to deploy. “Who would decide that and how?” is probably the wrong question - it’s really “How could someone challenge that?”

I don’t have strong views on the answer but impeachment and conviction in Congress is the most obvious. I doubt that the use of Quo Warrento is constitutional (but I could be wrong).


711 posted on 12/15/2010 11:38:17 AM PST by Factsman
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To: Non-Sequitur
Lawful orders ... please, this is about keeping power and crushing an inquiry that would out a fraud. Nothing more. Any American in that position born in the USA would have released the birth records two years ago when this first came up... if they could. Apparently he cant.

You can fool some of the people some of the time .... some of the people all the time. Thinking he is qualified to serve as president at this point has become the mark of a fool. Some people will buy any bullshit as long as they don't have to face an unpleasant reality.

As the First Lady said, Kenya, Baraks Home Country. It doesn't get any clearer than that. Yet, like children, some cling to the hope they haven't been scammed. Like the guy who sees the Milk man leave his house and sees his wife on the bed, naked, its easier to believe her when she says she was sleeping and never saw him. Its just easier to believe the Kenyan fairy tale..... and allow it to continue.

Its much easier to play the fool than confront the truth.

712 posted on 12/15/2010 11:41:21 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: usmcobra
Of course not, it was a lesson in questioning orders, there are always orders that MUST be questioned as well as those that CANNOT be, what makes The American armed forces different from all other nations is that we are trained to think and act on our own even if that means disobeying orders especially illegal ones.

OK, so what orders MUST be questioned and what order CANNOT be questioned?

713 posted on 12/15/2010 11:42:16 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m not sure, but I think “they” might have me on the list too. I guess I do talk about this issue a lot, although I also comment on other things, depending on how busy I am. And I am a noob. Maybe the shoe fits.


714 posted on 12/15/2010 11:43:44 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: PA-RIVER
Lawful orders ... please, this is about keeping power and crushing an inquiry that would out a fraud.

No, this is about punishing an officer who decided for himself what orders he wanted to follow and what orders he did not.

Any American in that position born in the USA would have released the birth records two years ago when this first came up... if they could. Apparently he cant.

Possibly. But irrelevant to the charges Lakin faced.

715 posted on 12/15/2010 11:44:25 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

The only conclusion that anyone can draw is that you are so damned inept that you can’t even keep your bullshit straight.
________________

That’s exactly what I want you to think. :)


716 posted on 12/15/2010 11:44:54 AM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: mojitojoe
That’s exactly what I want you to think. :)

Isn't it wonderful that your plan dovetails so nicely with reality?

717 posted on 12/15/2010 11:51:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: centurion316

The Congressional Research Service sent out two different memos telling Congress-critters that it is/was not their place to deal with the eligibility question. The CRS says it was the job of the states to do that.

Sort of blows away Lind’s claim that the issue is a political question, if Congress isn’t even able to deal with it.

Sort of blows away the idea that the certification of the electoral vote says anything about Congress certifying eligibility.

And this is the CRS who is saying this, mind you. Not me. The legal experts advising Congress.


718 posted on 12/15/2010 11:51:23 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Non-Sequitur
so what orders MUST be questioned...

Why the illegal ones of course.

719 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:14 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: STARWISE

“One other note: Pastor Manning, one of the birthers attending the trial, left the courtroom escorted by security and has not returned. No word on what prompted his departure.”


Would be interesting to know why???

http://atlahmedianetwork.org/?p=11768


720 posted on 12/15/2010 11:56:33 AM PST by danamco (")
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