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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; SeeSac; Dr. Brian Kopp
“I was shooting with a telephoto lens and looking through a viewfinder so I never really saw the separation of the object and the contrail until I looked at the photos, but I’m sure that this whole thing lasted way too long to be a missile.” ... Rick Warren

Who did they misquote? Leyvas? They quote him as unsure. So where’s the misquote? Where’s the fabrication?

That first quote was Rick Warren, some guy in Long Beach with a camera hobby. And he's backed up by so much glorious science!

As for the cameraman, Leyvas, here's what he said, how "unsure" he was:

“Though there was no time code associated with the raw footage I shot, you are still able to accurately time the footage from the moment I started the recording (as we departed John Wayne airport) to the final moments of the mystery missile story. When I play the video I can time the duration of the object in flight which was between 30-45 seconds of "Glow Time" - which is inclusive within, and at the end of the 2-3 minute estimated flight time from which the plume was visible at the horizon ... I can rely on the raw footage as it plays to gauge my estimated times since it plays back in real time on the player deck's control track timer.”

I'm pretty sure he's sure it wasn't Santa's Sleigh. Bottom line: Kopp seems just a tad obtuse. *rolls eyes*

349 posted on 12/14/2010 4:45:19 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny

I wouldn’t expect a cameraman to tust what he saw after the Feds and their operatives verbally work him over. We’ve seen this kind of game time and again, haven’t we? I didn’t want to mention any other instances, but you are right, TWA 800 is an excellent example of how they try to make people confused.

How did that go again? The computer simulator had TWA 800 falling up? They tried to blame it on the wiring and lobbied to have all the planes rewired [would have ruined every jet and caused real accidents] until the airlines gave the politicians sweeteners. [fuzzy memory alert]


375 posted on 12/15/2010 6:19:40 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Finny; TigersEye; Arthur Wildfire! March; fabian; Rokke; SeeSac; TXnMA
There are two known eyewitnesses. Here are their statements:

1)"I'm still not sure what the object is, jet or missile or for that matter, something else."
-Leyvas

2)"I’m sure that this whole thing lasted way too long to be a missile. I see lots of contrails from my 10th floor balcony but the difference in this one was that it “seemed” to be going up...I’m now of the opinion that it was indeed a plane."
-Warren.

Neither witness has ever stated it was a missile, but Warren has stated it was indeed a plane.

And from these eyewitnesses, you conclude...its a missile!

And declare anyone who disagrees with your opinion "obtuse."

And you think I came into this with an agenda? LOL!

384 posted on 12/15/2010 10:54:56 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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