Only if he walks in.
Posted on 12/10/2010 5:00:17 AM PST by marktwain
“Dangerous combination,” The Akron Beacon Journal editorial headline reads. “A lame-duck maneuver to allow guns in bars,” the subhead clarifies.
Ohio Rep. Danny Bubp is trying to get enough signatures on discharge petitions to force two gun bills passed earlier in the Senate to the House floor for a vote. Oxymoronically, the "Authorized Journalists," who ordinarily present themselves as champions of democracy, along with House Democrats, don’t want a vote to happen:
In the House, Armond Budish, the Democratic speaker, wisely has taken a firm stand against the bills. The Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police, the Fraternal Order of Police, the Buckeye Sheriffs' Association and other law enforcement organizations have raised strong objections to allowing concealed weapons in places that serve alcohol. Even when Gov. Ted Strickland promised last summer to sign the bills, House Democrats held ranks. They listened to the common-sense advice from police agencies: Guns and alcohol are a bad mix.
It’s a non-controversial enough bill—to anyone who isn’t an anti-defense zealot prone to hysterics, be they sincere or opportunistic. “Bars,” used as a pejorative, include family restaurants that serve beer and wine. And nothing in the bill “legalizes” drinking while dining armed.
While the gun-grabbers portray it as an open invitation for drunken cowboys to shoot up saloons (and these are the same hand-wringers who warned against Dodge City gunfights over fender-benders in their attempts to defeat concealed carry reforms), what this really will do is allow a law-compliant choice for those who peaceably carry when they patronize establishments that serve alcohol—like Luby’s Cafeteria, site of a madman’s rampage, where the “law-abiding” patrons like Susanna Hupp were disarmed by law, and powerless to stop a massacre.
Naturally, the cop organizations are against you having a choice in the matter. But guess who’s exempt?
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When I walk into a bar, I normally have left my weapon in the car. However, if we’re walking around, say a shopping district, and I’m carrying, and want to stop and have a toddy for the body, I don’t check it at the door!
I live in Alaska, we carry almost everywhere except Federal buildings, schools for the most part and places that request no weapons.
We have one town that has such a severe and dangerous problem with a pack of wolves that all the residents are urged to carry at all times and at all places.
As a recovering alcoholic, I used to disarm before going into an establishment to eat and drink. Having been sober for almost a year, I have to say that I would much prefer my safety to drinking any day. It’s nice to be able to sit down in Applebees with my revolver holstered and never be concerned about having a run-in with John Q. Law.
I think it should be up to the owner of the establishment.
Some types of places I would be comfortable with them allowing guns. Other places like bigger clubs that are frequented by power drinkers and have fights regularly it is probably a better idea not to allow guns in.
Not everyone with a gun or a gun permit isn’t an idiot. Get a few of these idiots armed in the same place on the same night and bystanders are bound to be the ones who get hurt.
Just because you have a gun doesn’t make you more inclined to start shooting it. We have many guns at our house, and I have never felt the urge to shoot anyone.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. There was a local family feud where a man was beaten to death with a Tennis Racket by his son in law and daughter.
You could stab someone or beat them with a chair. People are so afraid of guns. A friend of mine from Holland told me that people shouldn’t go hunting. They should buy their meat at the grocery store, that way “No animals have to DIE” Her “logic” is illogical!
The second amendment is my permit.
No. It’s much safer than having only criminals carrying guns in bars. Or knives. Or stun guns. Or whatever else criminals carry. Why handicap the good guys?
Only if he walks in.
And we ALL know that when you have idiots combining Alcohol,Tobacco and Firearms you get horrible disasters like Waco and Ruby Ridge.
I dont consider a restaurant that serves alcohol to be a typical bar. To me a bar is a place where people go primarily to drink or get drunk. IMO opinion guns and alcohol are not a good combo. I keep out of bars even if I’m not drinking and would never go into one armed. Too many idiots looking to pick fights. I know, I used to be one.
The most dangerous place where alcohol and firearms mix is the bar parking lot. Even thugs don’t start a gunfight in the bar.
Read any big city newspaper local news.
“Gunfight breaks out at 3 AM Saturday at the local bar”.
” Other places like bigger clubs that are frequented by power drinkers and have fights regularly it is probably a better idea not to allow guns in.”
The owner can do that simply by posting a sign at the door. That’s the way it is for other establishments.
It’s a felony to carry into such a place.
Actually, it’s a misdemeanor,
but you can lose your CCL.
I tend to agree, but the law in Florida says no carrying where alcohol is served. I definitely make exceptions for a restaurant that serves alcohol. I always carry then. My law enforcement friends generally know I'm carrying, as are they. So, I guess they figure, the more the merrier.
So, would you have been as big of an idiot looking for a fight if you had a reasonable doubt that the guy you’re targeting for a fight might be armed?
“An armed society is a polite society”
So, would you have been as big of an idiot looking for a fight if you had a reasonable doubt that the guy you’re targeting for a fight might be armed?
“An armed society is a polite society”
Concur with this statement on almost every issue. Some will say its unconstitutional, but that's only because they have bought into the notion that private business are somehow public property.
Lots of person on person crime happens in them.
I prefer to be smart and avoid those type of places.
And PA and I believe one or two others even "allow" the carriers to drink, and the bodies aren't piling up. Ergo, it's safe.
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