Posted on 12/06/2010 6:26:46 AM PST by Sprite518
“Obviously I’m talking to an idiot.”
OK, if you say so. There is no doubt in my mind that you are a high-school dropout wanting to sound important. Unfortunately, you are typing words you do not understand and there is nothing more frustrating, yet funny, than an idiot that doesn’t know he’s an idiot. You just associated Kepler to great circles and that’s sad for you. You obviously don’t know about either, yet, you are desperately trying to lecture me, so far, on navigation, physics, missiles, satellites, and aircraft. Wow. Keep digging that hole. You just passed into being entertainment.
“who proved that you know nothing long before rocketry even existed.”
I wasn’t around before rocketry existed. lol. Dummy.
That is interesting since those photos are supposed to represent some passage of time yet the object remains lined up with the contrail in each. Of course we don't have the separate time stamps for the four separate photos used in that montage.
...and it does not take into consideration that most objective viewers consider those later photos as clearly displaying the object (still) creating the contrail.
It is my understanding that that is how they are representing that multiple image. If so the 80 mph wind is blowing the airplane south faster than it is moving forward to the east even though flight data from three aviation sources say it was going 500 mph.
So -- my simplistic graphic that I posted in # 171 pretty well agrees with "your universe" -- right?
Interesting that such a genius as yourself cannot see the direct connection between an ICBM trajectory that passes along the plane of a great circle, and Kepler’s laws.
You jumped into the wrong thread Mr Gump, and now you don’t know the way to the potty.
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I know that you're trying your best here but that really is a sad way to deal with what I told you.
A missile isn’t anywhere near your field of view in just one minute.
That depends on what kind of missile it was. You probably don't know it but there are many kinds of missiles.
...to you, you are a national hero, calling out an enemy missile near our shores, but you are completely delusional and not even close to living in reality. You are not a hero.
I don't know what dark crevice of your brain you dragged that out of but you ought to consider upping or lowering your psychotropic drug intake.
P.S. YO U may have only seen three minutes of the video but the complete video was ten minutes.
What is saddest here is that you didn't even look at the link I gave you before. If you had you would know that Gil Leyvas told one of our fellow FReepers that he only saw the object for 3 minutes maximum. Nowhere in any other interview did he ever say anything about how long he saw it or how long he taped it. Nowhere. Now here's the link again.
Gil said the object creating the contrail was in view for 2 to 3 minutes then was no longer in view. He took ten minutes of video total, and the contrail was in view for an additional ten minutes.
Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:14:56 PM · 39 of 61
TXnMA to libstripper; saganite; AllAll you conspiracy theorists can take off your tinfoil hats and stand down, now. Saganite conclusively identified it as INBOUND daily scheduled US Airways Flight 808 (AWE808) from Hawaii. Seehttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625121/posts
He even posted a photo taken at the same time the next day -- showing the exact same effect.
The fact that the plane's movement is inbound (toward the viewer) heightens the illusion that the object is ascending in the sky.
More “Mystery Missiles” (aka contrails) over Georgia on Nov. 28th...video at link (after 13 sec. commercial):
http://www.ajc.com/video?bcpid=97471435001&bclid=1717763711&bctid=700744798001
We have also shown identity in position and appearance between the object that "detached from" the Levyas contrail and the object Warrren filmed -- with a significant temporal and positional overlap. (No matter how long Levyas thinks it lasted.)
Mick West has conclusively shown that both the object filmed by Leyvas and the object photographed by Warren match the FlightAware profile of UPS902 -- exactly.
We have also conclusively shown that perspective effects as the contrail was viewed from north and south -- and from fixed and mobile viewpoints as it drifted southward -- match an eastbound object -- and bear zero resemblance to a westbound object.
The only remaining venue for discussion is the dynamic changes in light color, intensity, direction, and dispersion across the sky as time progressed. I have already done considerable (yet unpublished) work with color gradients of the sunset/twilight colors. And kanawa has alrady begun work with animations of sunset -- using Google Earth -- as have I with Stellarium.
We have the makings of a good technical paper session or even a Scientific American--or better -- class publication or documentary.video.
All the FACTS are on the side that says this phenomenon was no more (or less) than the contrail produced by the MD-11 of UPS Flight 902 from Hawaii to Ontario, CA.
Yep... That shot from the video was one of the first things I noticed that made me think the CBS take on it was some kind of bogus sensationalism.
Another is the lack of visible flame plume. As others have pointed out in this thread (and I did in a previous) - if this was a missile in boost, there would be a large, un-mistakable and too-bright-to-miss flame plume at the tip. Google/youtube launches of Tridents, or any modest to large missile or SLV and you'll see what's missing from CBS's fantasy.
Pretty hard to say without seeing it, now isn't it???
The short video wasn't just the first 2-3 minutes, UNEDITED, of the 'contrail'. It was highly edited, and the same 'scene' was looped twice. I noticed it the first time I watched the video.
WHY did they do that?
IF CBS and the cameraman presented this as the UNEDITED FILMING (which they did) why would you believe them about what the full 10 minutes showed???? What if it proves it was a missile?
Notice that even Leyvas refers to it as a 'contrail' and not a missile plume.
All the planes in the world.
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Last night I had dinner with a retied full bird Col from the USAF. He was a BUFF (B52s) navigator in Vietnam with 129 combat missions too. After that he worked and helped with the development of GPS Satellites, had a major part in the development of the AMRAMM Air to Air missile, the MX missile and electronic warfare (Counter measures, Radars, etc...) Oh and he still works with the Air Force (has his own business) with unmanned drones.
At any rate, I could not help to bring up ask him what he thought about the possible missile over Los Angeles? I’ll put it to you this way. He went on a very long and technical explanation with extreme confidence of the event. He was telling me all sorts of things I have not even heard anywhere that was extremely knowledgeable and technical about the event. I try to follow the best I could since some of it went over my head. Bottom line is this. He said without a doubt that was a missile.
I wish you could have heard his explanation. Just to give you a little bit of his background. He has a degree in a electrical engineering and a Master of electrical optics from M.I.T..
One thing he did say to me that I still recall. He said that someone had said something (on TV I believe) like well you can see it changing it’s course so you know it’s an airplane. The Col. laughed and said, “I guess that guy never heard of missile guidance system? That is what missiles do. They don’t just don’t head in one direction forever.”
It's not that hard to say when the photographer straight out says he only saw a moving object a maximum of 3 minutes. If you think watching a contrail drift in the wind for 7 minutes would be interesting that's up to your personal level of being entertained.
IF CBS and the cameraman presented this as the UNEDITED FILMING (which they did) why would you believe them about what the full 10 minutes showed????
The cameraman doesn't get to present anything to the public he just turns his tape in to the station. I don't have to believe KCBS (local station BTW) but I can consider the clear words told directly to a FReeper by the cameraman, Gil Leyvas, to be reasonably honest. He is the only one who has said anything about the un-aired 7 minutes of tape and that was only by inference.
Notice that even Leyvas refers to it as a 'contrail' and not a missile plume.
Yes, he clearly said he doesn't know what it was. A pretty unbiased way of describing what he saw.
He thinks it was far out to sea, behind/northwest of UPS902. He does believe he saw UPS902 far to the south of the object he was viewing, because he specifically compared that contrail, which was obviously a jet liner, to this object, which was NOT obviously a jet liner.
He said that typical jet airliner contrail, in comparison to the one he videotaped, was like "comparing a tree to an ant." The contrail he was filming was nothing like the other jet airliner contrail he had in view at the time to the south.
You keep ducking the question of: Where was the response? If this was a missile, where is the news of the navy ships responding?
Why isn’t this a huge story in the media?
Why don’t you have a shred of actual data?
Can your imaginary friend name the missile that he saw with such knowledge and technical detail? Surely he can name the missile he saw. Go ahead, ask him.
LMAO! If that is the best you have, the I have two words for you.... Check Mate!
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