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To: ClearCase_guy
Secession was the right path back then, and it is the right path now. The federal government is a tyranny which removes the powers rightfully granted to the states by our founding fathers and by our constitution.

The Obama way is indeed a path of expansion and unconstitutional usurpations, but I don't see any tyranny from the mere 1860 election of a president. As a poster said above, it's just that Democrats have always had a hard time when they don't their way. The Founders assumed a public mature enough to accept adverse election results. The South Carolina secessionists proved unequal to that assumption.

18 posted on 12/03/2010 5:20:38 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It's not really about 1860. You can go back to 1812 and see that the north wanted commerce and the south wanted tariffs. The Missouri Compromise was an attempted solution between northern and southern interests. The nullification crisis of 1836 and the Compromise of 1850 was the same thing. Kansas and Nebraska, also a struggle between financial and political interests of these two parts of the country.

The South wanted citizens within their own state to control their destiny. The North wanted a feel-good solution imposed on those who were "less enlightened". Much of this was about money (commercial trading/industry vs agriculture) and much of this was about imposing morality on others.

The Democrats were morally wrong when they supported slavery, but they were morally right when they defended states rights. The North sought to use the national government to impose its will on sovereign states of the South, and that directly contravenes the type of government outlined in our constitution.

It's incorrect and simplistic to say that the ACW was caused by unhappiness of the election results of 1860.

22 posted on 12/03/2010 5:32:56 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"The Founders assumed a public mature enough to accept adverse election results."

Your a F'ing idiot on so many levels...

First of all, calling what has happened to this union of states over the last few decades "adverse election results" is like saying the jews of socialist Germany had a bit of a problem.

Second.. The founders encouraged, empowered and implored their posterity to throw off government tyranny as quickly as possible by WHATEVER MEANS. The founders also understood that the right of people to break an association with others is a natural right that can not be mitigated by any law created by man. In other words, Secession is a natural right of men. If we come to the conclusion that our government is subjecting us to absolute and miserable tyranny, then we have the right and duty to disassociate ourselves from those who wish to make us slaves to their will, and the founders of this union would stand up and F'ing applaud the day we do...

42 posted on 12/03/2010 6:17:42 AM PST by myself6
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
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217 posted on 12/03/2010 3:05:36 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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