Posted on 12/02/2010 2:02:35 PM PST by bigbob
Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.
(Farah is the founder of WorldNet Daily)
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I’ve yet to see a contrail that was the color of potassium permanganate.
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I don’t think that you’re a paid operative, you’re too stupid. You spout impossible crap about things that you don’t understand, and gripe when everyone with a brain sees through your ignorance.
Obviously anyone that sees through you is insane, huh?
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Oh, you've never seen the "green"? It actually exists. I had to watch winter sunsets from my office window out over the Potomac toward Rosslyn (Pentagon on the Left) for quite a long time to catch the "green flash" ~ it only lasts seconds ~ but it's there, as is magenta and purple.
So, the contrail is lit up from below by the Sun just beyond the horizon.
It's easy for the Sun to do that because the contrail is horizontal, not vertical.
I hope you noticed that the light we see in the evening is in the longer frequencies ~
> “Was that chinook...”
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Your eyes are gone.
It wasn’t a chinook, it was a schmuck, pink with purple polkadots and “Rokke” painted on the sides.
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Looks purple to me: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS375&q=potassium+permanganate&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1344&bih=632
You’re making a fool of yourself.
Now you guys, on the other hand, want me to believe that a phony baloney CBS propaganda hoax film is God's Own truth.
No, sorry, if it's from CBS they have to PROVE their argument with facts. Notice that they've bowed out of this debate ~ there's a reason for that.
Is that even allowed? Heh, there should be an opposite razor, where the most improbable and outlandish explanation is true, since it seems to be so popular these days.
Got any data to support the missile claim?
I have yet to see one bit of data, just rubes saying “gee that looks like a missile!”
> “They are jet vapor trails, or exhaust trails. I have seen them for years and years.”
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Turbine exhaust has no solids; its all water, co2 and hydrocarbons. A missile’s exhaust, on the other hand has considerable solid content, and shows up perfectly whether the atmosphere is cool or warm. They also have the distinctive helix caused by the mixing nozzle.
Well, see, you guys don't get paid much because you failed so badly with the face on Mars.
Anybody can tell that this was a Chinese missile.
I mean, it's .... um .... it's obviously a missile, because missiles are missiles and they blow stuff out their back ends. (By the way: did you know that many FReepers are missiles?)
And it's obviously Chinese because, well, there's a characteristic corkscrew pattern, which is so obviously Chinese. And stuff.
> I have yet to see one bit of data, just rubes saying “gee that looks like a missile!”
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Uhh, those “rubes” are generals with Phds in aeronautical engineering, aerodynamics, and related fields, and have been our Air Force’s premier authorities on the subject.
Nice try though, try reading the older threads where all the facts were presented, and the contrail madness was demolished numerous times.
That CBS video was shown to be doctored, to generate just such a response as it has. All the “experts” claiming it was a missile, was based off that viseo. He’ll, I even thought it was a missile. Now, a month later, that’s still all the evidence there is. A missile launched off the coast of a city of 10 million plus pax, right under a major shipping lane and air traffic lane and now one else saw a thing, no other video has been produced, no witnesses that were closer have come forward. Hmm.
Well, gee ... where do we start with that train wreck of a comment?
You start out apparently talking about solid rocket motors -- but those don't have "mixing nozzles," because the combustion only occurs on the exposed surface of the solid propellant. So there couldn't be a "distinctive helix" in that case.
Which leaves us with liquid-fueled rockets -- which advanced countries, including China, do not use for ballistic missiles.
Worse for you, liquid fueled rockets generally use Hydrogen and Oxygen, which produces nothing but water. Some use LOX and Kerosene, the exhaust of which is essentially the same as turbine exhaust, which you have already ruled out.
And there are no "mixing nozzles" in a rocket engine. There are injector plates, which spray fuel and oxidizer into the combustion chamber in a manner designed to optimize mixing. And "distinctive helix pattern" caused by the injector system would indicate a very significant flaw in the rocket engine.
To sum it up .... you're completely and utterly incorrect.
The slightest quantitative analysis demolished the missile thesis.
Nice try again, but you know that you’re lying.
Sad!
Enough bullshit manufactured boilerplate.
We know you here, remember?
You certainly lack the powers of observation that I have encountered in land surveyors -- and I speak as a pretty fair GIS cartographer (my main retirement "job") who works with them and their products all the time.
That "sharp left 'spur" on the contrail coincides exactly with the point where it transited a high cloud-forming layer -- with shear winds and extra moisture (hence, a narrow stratum of clouds in an otherwise clear sky). If anything,the contrail's density is enhanced in that specific region.
Like most of the "missile" folk, you make no effort to consider ALL the evidence, and just cherry-pick to come up with your "yabbuts". This is a prime example.
Just teaching you a little rocket science, ma'am.
But as they say: you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.
We know you here, remember?
Well, good for you, remembering. Next time, remember to unzip your pants when you take a leak -- it's a great way to keep your socks dry.
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