Posted on 12/02/2010 1:05:36 PM PST by WilliamHouston
The key is to make illegals so unconfortable here - that they deport themselves - take away the financial incentives for them to stay.
totally agree...
We already deport about 500,000 a year under Obama, right? Why can’t we deport them all? A competant administration could deport at least a million a year.
Note: Guiterrez is threatening mass chaos IF THEY DON’T GET the DREAM Act.
I’ll wager he knows exactly what he’s saying and it’s about somehow making a ‘path to citizenship’ sound better. I don’t know that we’ll have any candidate that’s really good on immigration, but it’s clear we’ll have plenty who aren’t.
What is it -- in your opinion -- that causes Hispanic Americans to wantonly ignore our heritage of laws not men, Mr. Gingrich? Mr. Bush? Anyone!
They don't make a lick of sense.
Wot? The undocumented workers will have to pay a fine of $50 or something as punishment .. really? Can Americans currently serving time for crimes of fraud get out of prison by paying a few dollars? I didn't think so.
That first option of yours is amnesty. We’re just playing around with maybe a little fine and a visit to the home country to make it look better.
They’ve already broken the law. Also, the overwhelming number of them are low-skill with very little cultural emphasis on education: not the type of immigrants who are likely to pay their way if we keep them.
Even Republicans wont deport that much. It’s a pipe dream. Mainly due to the public outcry and chaos that will ensue.
As much as I’d like it to happen, it’s not realistic. They wont do it. They will never all be deported. Not 11 million, not one million. Just isn’t going to happen. So if they’re not going to be deported....either “A”...they re...main here as they are, draining state and federal funds....”B” they are given some sort of designation, denied the right to vote and they pay taxes...or “C” its only a matter of time before they get full blown citizenship when democrats have the numbers to pull it off. Yes, conservatives will be truly screwed for a long, long time.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does.
I say give them defacto citizenship. Give them a social security number, they’ll pay taxes & their rights will be protected. However, because they broke federal & state law, deny their right to vote. A small penalty to pay for not being charged or deported. If they complain, then they should have have just applied for citizenship in the first place.
That is amnesty. Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion just for the entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.
Finally, set a yearly legal immigration limit of 10,000. Much better than the million streaming across our border annually.
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest level in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.
Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977% (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.
Agreed, in part. There's still the problem of employers, though ... and they're interested in cheap labor, as opposed to giving out freebies.
Employers are probably the larger problem here, and fixing that part of it is considerably less simple. Big penalties are part of that fix; and there should also be a means by which prospective employers can easily check the legality of any applicant.
Of course, that leads to the need for a registration system, and that most likely leads to some form of national ID....
Obama and Reid will also have the economy in a full blown Great Depression by 2012. There is a good chance that California will collapse like Greece before the next election There is absolutely no way an amnesty will pass in such conditions.
Even Newtered will probably eventually “see the light” and back off like McCain and Graham.
All the soft immigration stuff is from 2008 during the Presidential run when she was saddled with McCain’s positions. I looked at the article. October 2008. Do you really think that she was expressing her unvarnished view in 2008 or do you think she had to toe the line set by the McCain campaign on it?
When California collapses under the weight of illegal aliens, amnesty will be off the table for a generation.
All the soft immigration stuff is from 2008 during the Presidential run when she was saddled with McCain’s positions. I looked at the article. October 2008. Do you really think that she was expressing her unvarnished view in 2008 or do you think she had to toe the line set by the McCain campaign on it?
They may be, and let's stipulate that they are. But, that's not the prevailing or primary reason that there hasn't been a solution to illegal immigration. So long as these people can get jobs, they're going to find a way into the country. People can get jobs because big-money contributors to Republicans and Democrats want easy access to cheap labor.
I've never had a problem with legal immigration, until lately.
No matter what, our government will not adjust legal immigration to offset this damn tidal wave of illegal immigration.
If we do not put in place a moratorium on legal immigration and halt the flow from Mexico, our nations infrastructure will crumble.
Plus seizure of the business. A farmer employs illegals, he loses the farm. Factory owner employs illegals, he loses the factory. Restaurants, construction etc. same story.
Don’t deport them, just give them no reason to stay. They will deport themselves.
Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.
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