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Military slams door on mystery missile questions
WND ^ | December 1, 2010 | F. Michael Maloof

Posted on 12/02/2010 6:21:47 AM PST by yoe

The Department of Defense is slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail filmed Nov. 8 by a KCBS television crew near Los Angeles after questions were raised about a warning from the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency that there could be missiles fired in that area at that time.

The official government position has been that the contrail, which appears to have been made by a single source, was from a jet passing by.

And the refusal to provide answers to specific questions suggests a cover-up of potential secret missile testing in the area – contrary to official jet contrail explanation.

For weeks, experts have examined the billowing plume and the single-source white-hot exhaust which they contend was from a missile, not a jet.

It was in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin intelligence report where the story was broken that several experts who examined the video of the mysterious contrail confirmed it was not from a jet but a missile.

The experts who examined the video have had extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems for various sensitive agencies of the U.S. government.

They even went so far as to suggest that the missile may have been shot from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine, coinciding with an increasing level of confrontation between the United States and China and designed to send a message to Washington:

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: californiamissile; chat; contrail; itwasbatboy; jetcontrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade; ups902; worldnutdaily
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To: pfflier
When we launched at Vandenberg and experienced the "Twilight Effect" we would get calls from as far away as Phoenix and Las Vegas where the phenomenon was visible.

For a missile launch I would expect people to be calling the police, TV news, talk radio hosts...

21 posted on 12/02/2010 7:09:55 AM PST by decimon
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To: econjack
Econjack, I live in the Albuquerque area under a vastly used flying lane for aircraft headed east and west. We get contrails that appear to come up straight from the ground due to the fact they are in the sky from beyond the horizon line we can see. We also get lots of wind in this area over the Rockies.

I've seen pencil thin contrails that stay that way all across the sky, I've seen contrails that spread out rapidly into both thick and thin trails that could easily be as wide as that in the video. I even observed one aircraft within the last two weeks that put off a very similar corkscrew pattern coming west from over the Sandia Mountains (to the east of Albquerque). Wind to the east was causing the contrail to do this.

The zoom of the camera lense compresses things. To top it off, the video has been proven to be anything but raw. If, as they say, this cameraman shot ten whole minutes of raw video, where is it? It would certainly answer the questions. As it is, the nearly two minutes of video don't show a launch, don't show significant rise in altitude (for a rocket that large, with that kind of "plume", it should have been long gone in two minutes, from ground to disappeared, but the fact is, it hardly moves in that two minutes).

There have been no eye-witnesses come forward to corroborate anything. How is it nobody on Catalina Island saw or heard anything? Nobody on the multitude of boats in the area? Nobody else on land? Where are the other witnesses?

22 posted on 12/02/2010 7:10:53 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: decimon
For a missile launch I would expect people to be calling the police, TV news, talk radio hosts...

Even more so for an unannounced launch.

23 posted on 12/02/2010 7:12:14 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: econjack
Like I said, I don't want to point to a Chinese missile as some are want to do, but even in light of your evidence, I'm still having a hard time accepting this ex post argument.

And like I said, this isn't the first time that an aircraft contrail in the Los Angeles area has been mistaken for a contrail. It also happened on December 31st, 2009.

New Year's Eve Contrail.

24 posted on 12/02/2010 7:12:54 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo; econjack
Oops, I meant "this isn't the first time that an aircraft contrail in the Los Angeles area has been mistaken for a contrail missile."
25 posted on 12/02/2010 7:15:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: econjack

The Earth is not flat.


26 posted on 12/02/2010 7:22:59 AM PST by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: Yo-Yo

I don’t know what to think about all this. I think your link is very good and makes a very good argument for contrail... but at the same time I do have a tendency to distrust anything that comes out of this administration.

As for WND... that “report” is extremely light on both facts and “experts”.

If it was a Chinese missile, or if it was anything other than a contrail, it’s not proven by anything in WND.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 7:25:58 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
As for WND... that “report” is extremely light on both facts and “experts”.

If you follow the internal links, you find that you too can be updated by the experts for only $99 per year.

28 posted on 12/02/2010 7:27:01 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: econjack
Also, given the heavy air traffic in the area, if atmospheric conditions are the cause, why aren't there other contrails that look similar to this one?

Answered 10,000x in other threads. Most of that traffic was not high enough to produce contrails.

29 posted on 12/02/2010 7:29:06 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: econjack
the gov’t in thinking we're so dumb as to buy into the fluff they're trying to sell us

Anyone here paying the linked 'expert' the $99 per year for the true facts?

30 posted on 12/02/2010 7:30:33 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Yo-Yo
I can't see how anyone, after viewing that website and all the contrail photos from the angle that makes it look like they are going straight up, and STILL think this was a missile launch.

Don't upset a good conspiracy theory with FACTS!

The facts just show how WIDE and DEEP the conspiracy is!!!

-———Queue sinister music———

31 posted on 12/02/2010 7:31:11 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RFEngineer
I don’t know why all these shills for “expert commentators” are jumping on these threads - I think that they are simply getting paid to cover up the truth.

Follow the embedded links. $99 for the experts newsletter ...

32 posted on 12/02/2010 7:32:02 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: econjack
There are other sunset aircraft contrails that have sparked smaller missile flaps in the US. One during 2008 and one during 2009. This one on the 8th took on a whole new meaning due to the media attention and the people that they got on-air comments from.

Debated to death on the following Freeper threads.

Link to Freeper thread1

Link to Freeper thread2

Link to Freeper thread3

The helicopter cameraman, Gil Leyvas, also reported that he saw a similar event on the 4th November. On that date Flight UPS902, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11, was flying the same route and time as the UPS902 MD-11 on the 8th. Was Gil Leyvas fooled twice by an MD-11 contrail twice within the space of a few days during sunset?

The type of aircraft is important here. The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 is a tri-engined airliner. It has been known to produce unique blended contrails due to the three engines and has confused many sky watchers.

See analysis by contrail experts from NASA.

Link to NASA story

It has all been debated to death on the Freeper threads posted above.

33 posted on 12/02/2010 7:43:44 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: spookie

They closed Adak?! Jeez I didn’t know that! Wow.


34 posted on 12/02/2010 7:45:08 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeeSac

“Follow the embedded links. $99 for the experts newsletter ...”

Are you implying that these “experts” are doing this for the money?


35 posted on 12/02/2010 7:46:27 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: SatinDoll

I see you don’t deny the facts of my post. Thank you.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 7:55:05 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: coon2000
The Earth is not flat.

Aw, crap...really?

37 posted on 12/02/2010 8:07:57 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: decimon

You are absolutely right. Then all those agencies would contact the PIO at Vandenberg who would refer the question to the test operations people.


38 posted on 12/02/2010 8:52:59 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Yo-Yo; RFEngineer

Questions to you both as representatives of the contrail thesis:

If people close to former US presidents and current executive-level folks in sensitive positions are saying we (the Feds) know it was a sub-launched, Chinese missile, and that we are ignoring it publically, since the launch accomplished what the Chinese intended (show of capability in a non-war-inducing scenario), does that at all change your thinking? Would you have to hear this from these sources with your own ears before you believe it?

If there is 10 minutes of video, but the public, general concensus is it was a plane, is it more likely the video was not released because it backs up the plane scenario, or debunks it?

Why did it take two days for the official story to become “it was a plane”? This after much frantic activity going on in defense circles, with leaks from high-level Pentagon sources saying it was, in fact, a missile before the official story was solidified?

Are you aware that the guy behind contrailscience.com is not actually a meterologist or scientist in the field of weather or aerospace? As such, why would you lend more credence to him than to the actual military experts who have stated that it WAS a missile? Does a preference for a specific answer color your trust or belief to those who support versus oppose your preferred answer? This last one is rhetorical, being meant not in a perjorative sense, but to highlight potential observational bias.

Would enjoy a response to these in detail, as a single post that does so would encapsulate in one place the pro-contrail response to the pro-missile position. Addressing only a small portion while ignoring the remainder probably won’t change any minds. Thanks in advance!


39 posted on 12/02/2010 8:57:16 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: econjack

The contrail doesn’t start at the surface, it is coming in over the horizon.


40 posted on 12/02/2010 9:08:01 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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