Posted on 11/30/2010 6:08:46 PM PST by pissant
If Romney is the candidate I would rather the de jure Democrat win the election rather than the de facto Democrat Romney.
The folks who constantly talk about appealing to “moderates” are behind the times.
From Gallup summer 2010:
Current ideological breakdown:
L 20 M: 35 C: 42
Exit polls 2010:
L: 20 M: 39 C:41
(WAS IN 2006 L: 20 M: 47 C: 32)
In addition conservatives now comprise 36% of all independent voters, up from 28% in 2006.
And conservatives now make up 70% of the GOP to 28% for libs and moderates in the GOP.
The political landscape has fundamentally shifted; our side no longer has to cater to moderates like they used to.
And the rationale behind supporting the RINOs’ candidates when they won’t support ours is....what, precisely?
Good point. I'm sure Senators-elect O'Donnell and Angle felt the same way - oh, wait.
How people choose to describe themselves is wholly irrelevant. In 2008, 20% of self-identified "conservatives" voted for Barack Obama. Do you know any conservatives who voted for Obama.
This election proved one thing - the power in American politics lays SQUARELY with the casual political observers, or as others call them - moderates.
“Romney voters a risk to switch to Obama if he loses nomination?”
Good...let them.
Actually, everything you want to know about Romney is summed up in those few words. His supporters are voting for him because he has the same political ideologies as Obama?
Just one more reason I will never vote for Romney.
Retreads from the 2008 race are probably not the best choices for 2012. Surely we can do better ... oops
In 1980, John Anderson was defeated in the Republican primaries, and promptly opened his independent campaign as a moderate alternative to Ronald Reagan.
He garnered 6.6% of the popular vote, and no electoral votes.
Ronald Reagan received 50.7% of the vote to incumbent Jimmy Carter's 41%.
Reagan won 489 Electoral votes to Carter's 49.
Conventional wisdom was that the moderate Republican Anderson would siphon votes away from Reagan and make it impossible for him to beat Carter.
So much for conventional wisdom.
Actually, I’ve seen alot more “Only Sarah” rhetoric from the cultists than I have from fans of anyone else.
I can believe this. Romney is the only Republican from 2008 I had Obama voters talk about as if they’d be willing to vote for him. Right now I believe some of the ambiguity in the GOP on the Health Care Repeal is directly related to Mitt Romney and nothing else. Cantor in particular is very close to Romney and it shows. Right now there is absolutely no reason for the GOP to play soft ball with the health care issue unless it is in the service of rehabilitating Romney. They can do what they will but I’ll never vote for him. He is the one candidate who has not did what he needed to do to fix what was wrong with him last go round.
He hasn’t rebuked his own mistake in signing into law the Health Care plan in Massachusetts. He hasn’t been a strong vocal supporter of the Tea Party. He has stayed in the shadows playing the back field as Palin took the lead and took the heat when he needed to step forward and show vocal leadership against Obama. He did help in the midterms but I don’t trust him and sadly many who do are not doing so on principle but on the idea that he is some kind of “perfect package” which most of the empirical evidence proves he is not. John McCain was more conservative than Mitt Romney and beat him soundly. Mitt Romney is the Meg Whitman of 2008 and it isn’t likely to change in 2012.
“Paul Ryan is to the left of Mitt Romney....and Romney is a socialist.”
hmmmm, I am not so sure about that.
Paul Ryan would be an excellent candidate.
WOW, the country club blue bloods are true to form. However, those bozos can’t win an election for anyone on either side. They think they’re important, I say they are impotent.
I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" was before the election, but the results speak for themselves. Yes, Reagan probably would have won even without Anderson, but Anderson made it the blowout it was. It seems pretty clear that Anderson didn't draw much of anything from Reagan, and instead drew from the incumbent - that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.
3rd Party candidates who get better than 5% of the vote, help the party-nominated challenger to the incumbent.
Without Perot in the race in 1992, there's a decent chance Bush pulls it out, at least from the post-election analysis I've seen. Again, this bolsters my argument - challengers are helped by a legitimate 3rd party presence when they're trying to unseat an incumbent.
Yes 42% of the electorate was conservative but the second key is that only 13% of CONSERVATIVES voted for the Dems which was about what Kerry got in 2004.
Gallup produced the poll; the exit poll confirmed it.
America is a much more conservative country now and more Republicans than ever call themselves conservative and also more indies do as well. This is not a myth.
All we need to do in 2012 is to duplicate 2010 and we’ll take Obama down.
Well, Romney's 18% includes 17.99% in several New England states. .01% comes from the rest of the country. I believe Obama is shedding Democrats in much bigger numbers than that.
I s'pect Obama already has the states well in hand where those RINOs may switch.
Yeah, that's what happens when you've got a prez who's stinking it up as much as this guy is. Right now he's hemorrhaging independents whom he carried heavily in 08 and he's causing many to reevaluate their self described political inclinations. This guy's approval numbers have dropped from the mid 60’s to below 40 in a flash.
He's not Bill Clinton and he's not going to be able to recover like him. I think there's a good chance he's primaried.
there will be more conservative dems voting for Palin than liberal rep voting for Obama. the liberal wing of the GOP Mitt’s fanclub are done in the party. After 2012 they will make common cause with the marxists in the open instea dof behind the curtain.
So you are saying that the path to victory for a Conservative candidate in 2012 is a moderate 3rd party challenge, say, by Romney?
Interesting concept.
The Obamabots don't.
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