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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I’m afraid its imperially True that Islam is an Abrahamic Faith.

That said, “They” do not have a collective share of Fruit. There isn’t even a Single Religion called Islam. One thing people who claim to be able to prove its not the same God always do is to act as if all Muslims have exactly the same beliefs. EG, Sharia is all the same for all Muslims. This is easy to disprove just by looking hat how different Jordan is to Iran, yet both operate under Sharia.

That said, there are Muslims in the world who do a lot of good, as well as those who do evil.

The real question is, what does Islam itself focus on. Like Mormonism, Islam focuses on God, and its clearly the same God as Christians and Jews worship, just as Mormons follow the same Jesus.

Where they go astray is in what exactly is taught about God.


91 posted on 11/30/2010 8:41:04 PM PST by ZAROVE
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To: ZAROVE

The God of Christianity is, and always has been, a holy Trinity, one in substance or being, yet also in three interdependent persons.

Islam strongly condemns that, as does (post-Jesus) Judaism, therefore, by definition, since neither Islam or even Judaism have a trinitarian God, we do not worship the same God.

Mormonism too, denies the holy Trinity (by redefining God, as Gods....in succession, true polytheism) hence their “Jesus” is not the incarnation of the 2nd Person of the Trinity of Christianity, Who created all that is—or ever has been.

Do all these theisms (not all mono-theisms, since Mormonism isn’t) CLAIM to worship the God revealed in the bible? Sure....but since only Christians believe in the holy Trinity, by definition we worship a different God.

“If you deny the trinity you lose your soul, if your try to explain the trinity you shall lose your mind”- Augustine


93 posted on 11/30/2010 9:08:33 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: ZAROVE
I’m afraid its imperially True that Islam is an Abrahamic Faith.

Why do you believe that to be so? What is the logic behind such a presumption?

95 posted on 12/01/2010 4:13:00 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: ZAROVE
I’m afraid its imperially True that Islam is an Abrahamic Faith.

I don't mean to tease, but what emperor says so?;-)

Do you mean that your assumption is "widely" accepted? If so, why do you assume wide acceptance means that it is indeed true? And where did such an idea come from, eh?

Abrahamic faith means nothing more than the notion that Islam "mentions" it is somehow traceable back to Abraham...that does hold much significance anyway and NONE at all if the "prophet" and "his" god are lying.

BTW, this idea that Islam is an Abrahamic faith is pushed primarily by muslims...and it is done so to first subsume the True Abrahamic faith and secondly it is done to garner credibility among those in the world who do not recognize it (Islam) for the demonic faith it truly is (again "know them by their fruits" - Matthew 7:16).

You said...

I always had a problem with people who insist that Islam worships a different god as most of the arguments are silly.
First, it isn't about you and "silly" doesn't explain why you disagree with the "different god" idea. In fact, the term "silly" says more about you. It says you stand in judgment of your debating opponent but rather than respond with reason, you condescend to call him "silly."

Secondly, muslims will tell you in no uncertain terms that their Allah is not Jehovah, God of the Christians and Jews.

Now, as to "false prophets"...they are not nice but misguided leaders! False prophets are agents of a false god...and anti-God, anti-Christ!

"False prophets" are mentioned 7 times in the New Testament (not at all in the Old). In each case they are anti-God, attempting to draw people away from God and into Hell.

The question is "who" do you believe they are leading people to? And whose voice are they listening to?

Mohammed himself first thought the voice he heard in the cave when he received the prophecy was a "demon." It wasn't until he told his wife that he was hearing demons and going mad that she, Khadijah, convinced him he was hearing the voice of Gabriel.

Lastly, let me point out strongly that God loves muslims and Jesus/Yeshuah offers them Salvation if they will accept It and Him.

But make no mistake about it, Allah and his prophet, Mohammed, are completely oppose to God, Jehovah, and His Son, Yeshuah/Jesus.

Get to know some muslims. Yes, they are not bad people and some do much good (the True God loves them)...but to the extent they follow their religion and its god, Allah, they are following a force that is diametrically opposed to the Judeo/Christian God.

98 posted on 12/01/2010 5:28:28 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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