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To: RegulatorCountry

Once again we see your incredible lack of knowledge:

“LOL, Catholics were Royalists, Puritans were Roundheads.”

The English Civil War happened about 110 years after the beginning of the Protestant Revolution in England. How many Catholics do you think there were? There were very, very few. The Royalists were overwhelmingly Anglicans. That’s why the Anglicans often listed King Charles and William Laud as martyrs. I can’t believe how ignorant Protestant are about their own history.

“It was repeated on smaller scale in the Palatinate Of Maryland in the mid 1640’s.”

Maybe so. Still it was an inter-Protestant civil war. Both sides were led by Protestants, staffed overwhelmingly by Protestants, supported overwhelmingly by Protestants, etc.

“Well bless your heart. That’s nice. Wonder why that was?”

The translation used in the Mass changed - wait for it - in 1970, that is, 40 years ago. When that happened Catholics bought the translations used in the Mass. In America, that meant the NAB.

“Compare that to the best selling book of all time, the KJV.”

Just a fluke of culture really. At one point in time ownership of the KJV was mandatory for Anglican parishes. Since that is all people were allowed to hear at church on Sundays in much of Protestant England for several centuries it should not be a surprise that it would become standard and held up as a cultural gem. The same happened, on a smaller scale for the DRV because Catholics were far fewer in the Protestant English speaking world. There are also cult like Protestant sects which push a bizarre KJV-Only belief that is completely out of touch with reality. Peter Ruckman comes to mind immediately.


77 posted on 11/27/2010 3:13:17 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: vladimir998
... and I'll walk you back to your ignorance in believing Anglicans to be Protestant. The Church of England never believed itself to be Protestant. King Henry went to his grave believing himself Catholic. The actual Protestants persecuted in England certainly didn't view the king or the COE as Protestant, either. The only entity that did, and apparently still does in error, is the Catholic Church. I'm not so sure even the Catholic Church does, given the crowing over wooing them back into the fold, so maybe it's just a common misperception among poorly informed laity.

Tyndale was persecuted by the Catholic English monarchy prior to the break with Rome and he was persecuted by the English monarchy that still beleived itself to be Catholic after the break with Rome.

Despite dark, partisan fantasy about some near-total wipeout of Catholics and Catholicism in England as a result of this break, we find at the dawn of the English Civil War, an English King with a Catholic Queen who was quite friendly with the Catholics, you know, those you beleive not to have existed because they were subject to some war intended to wipe them all out ... projection on your part, because this indeed did happen on the Continent, in numerous places.

Cromwell himself was driven to tears of outrage and a desire to extract revenge by the English poet John Milton, who wrote his then-famous sonnet On the Late Massacre in Piedmont in response to reports of excesses perpetrated by papal armies raised to go against another, actual Protestant church in Italy, the Waldenses:

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold;
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones,
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep, and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese, that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all the Italian fields, where still doth sway
The triple Tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who, having learnt thy way,
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

Perhaps might be that I have a better and more innate understanding of the historic, religious conflicts of England because so many of my own people lived through it, and it's obviously alien to you, to the point that you have no other recourse than to accept on faith a prettied up account designed to favor your own church?

I also note that you have not responded to my question as to just why the Douay-Rheims was out of print and not selling at all as recently as 1970. Care to address this or is it a "fluke" as well? It almost sounds as if Catholics weren't encouraged to read the Bible as so many have claimed and you've strenuously denied.

Surely that wasn't the case. Elaborate.

83 posted on 11/27/2010 3:42:45 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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