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To: vladimir998
... and I'll walk you back to your ignorance in believing Anglicans to be Protestant. The Church of England never believed itself to be Protestant. King Henry went to his grave believing himself Catholic. The actual Protestants persecuted in England certainly didn't view the king or the COE as Protestant, either. The only entity that did, and apparently still does in error, is the Catholic Church. I'm not so sure even the Catholic Church does, given the crowing over wooing them back into the fold, so maybe it's just a common misperception among poorly informed laity.

Tyndale was persecuted by the Catholic English monarchy prior to the break with Rome and he was persecuted by the English monarchy that still beleived itself to be Catholic after the break with Rome.

Despite dark, partisan fantasy about some near-total wipeout of Catholics and Catholicism in England as a result of this break, we find at the dawn of the English Civil War, an English King with a Catholic Queen who was quite friendly with the Catholics, you know, those you beleive not to have existed because they were subject to some war intended to wipe them all out ... projection on your part, because this indeed did happen on the Continent, in numerous places.

Cromwell himself was driven to tears of outrage and a desire to extract revenge by the English poet John Milton, who wrote his then-famous sonnet On the Late Massacre in Piedmont in response to reports of excesses perpetrated by papal armies raised to go against another, actual Protestant church in Italy, the Waldenses:

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold;
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones,
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep, and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese, that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all the Italian fields, where still doth sway
The triple Tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who, having learnt thy way,
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

Perhaps might be that I have a better and more innate understanding of the historic, religious conflicts of England because so many of my own people lived through it, and it's obviously alien to you, to the point that you have no other recourse than to accept on faith a prettied up account designed to favor your own church?

I also note that you have not responded to my question as to just why the Douay-Rheims was out of print and not selling at all as recently as 1970. Care to address this or is it a "fluke" as well? It almost sounds as if Catholics weren't encouraged to read the Bible as so many have claimed and you've strenuously denied.

Surely that wasn't the case. Elaborate.

83 posted on 11/27/2010 3:42:45 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

You wrote:

“... and I’ll walk you back to your ignorance in believing Anglicans to be Protestant. The Church of England never believed itself to be Protestant”

Actually it did and made no bones about it in the 16th century. Also, in America, the Anglican Church became the “Protestant Episcopal Church” after the American Revolution. That names was used I think until the 1970s. Thus, they knew what their roots were. Today some Anglicans try to have it both ways: http://www.christchurchanglican.org/ang_topix/protestant.html

And, if you knew anything about history, you would know that the name “Protestant” is used in the Coronation Service when the King promises to maintain “the Protestant religion as by law established”. “Protetsant” was from the beginning popularly applied to the Anglican beliefs and services. In the Act of Union the Churches of England and Ireland are called “the Protestant Episcopal Church”. Thus, the Anglicans admitted that they were Protestant. Why is it that Protestants don’t know their own history?

Most of the rest of your post is irrelevant.

“I also note that you have not responded to my question as to just why the Douay-Rheims was out of print and not selling at all as recently as 1970.”

False. I did answer it. Look at post 77.

“Care to address this or is it a “fluke” as well?”

No. I already did so.

“It almost sounds as if Catholics weren’t encouraged to read the Bible as so many have claimed and you’ve strenuously denied.”

False. We were encouraged to read the Bible and nothing I said says otherwise.

“Surely that wasn’t the case. Elaborate.”

No. If you can’t read plain English, then no amount of elaboration will matter. If you’re going to claim - falsely - that I never answered questions I did, then no amount of writing on my part will help the tendency of yours.


90 posted on 11/27/2010 4:13:42 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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