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Sharia Law: Coming Soon to a Courtroom Near You - An Oklahoma judge rules against the public...
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | November 22, 2010 | Hans A. von Spakovsky

Posted on 11/24/2010 8:57:33 AM PST by neverdem

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To: NTHockey
Pardon me for yelling, but I am WAAAAY passed PO’ed.

No pardon needed from me; since when did it become wrong to hate injustice?
Only a fool says that all hate is wrong.

THERE ARE AN ARMY OF LIKE-MINDED JUDGES AND LAWYERS OUT THRE, STANDING IN LINE FOR WORK LIKE THIS.
AND THERE IS NOT A SINGLE POS LEGAL-DEGREED INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL GO TO COURT AGAINST A BLATANT VIOLATION OF THE US CONSTITUTION!

I know what you mean; it extends even to the state level. I have an example I am quite fond of because it illustrates the point so well:

New Mexico State Constitution
Article II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
NMSA 30-7-2.4. Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises; notice; penalty.
A.     Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises consists of carrying a firearm on university premises except by:
  (1)     a peace officer;
  (2)     university security personnel;
  (3)     a student, instructor or other university-authorized personnel who are engaged in army, navy, marine corps or air force reserve officer training corps programs or a state-authorized hunter safety training program;
  (4)     a person conducting or participating in a university-approved program, class or other activity involving the carrying of a firearm; or
  (5)     a person older than nineteen years of age on university premises in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person's or another's person or property.

B.     A university shall conspicuously post notices on university premises that state that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on university premises.

C.     As used in this section:
  (1)     "university" means a baccalaureate degree-granting post-secondary educational institution, a community college, a branch community college, a technical-vocational institute and an area vocational school; and
  (2)     "university premises" means:
    (a)     the buildings and grounds of a university, including playing fields and parking areas of a university, in or on which university or university-related activities are conducted; or
    (b)     any other public buildings or grounds, including playing fields and parking areas that are not university property, in or on which university-related and sanctioned activities are performed.

D.     Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

Now either the Constitution means what it says when it says "No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense" or it does not; if it does not then why should I assume that it means what it says in Atr IV, Sec. 1. [Judicial power vested.] "The judicial power of the state shall be vested in the senate when sitting as a court of impeachment, a supreme court, a court of appeals, district courts; probate courts, magistrate courts and such other courts inferior to the district courts as may be established by law from time to time in any district, county or municipality of the state"?
That is to say, "what right would a court have to try me?"

Furthermore, the statute prohibits firearms in "the buildings and grounds of a university" which must obviously include student housing; if firearms are prohibited from student housing, then isn't any Citizen who resides therein being denied the right of firearms "for security and defense"?

And yet when I pose these questions to those in authority I get strange replies like:

  1. a sheriff: "we prohibit firearms in courthouses, so why can't we prohibit them on campus."
  2. state AG: "I cannot render an opinion on matters of law."
  3. my representative for the state legislature: "I will have to look into it and ask the state AG." (also no further replies)
  4. the state supreme court: "Talk to the state bar." {telephone recording}
  5. the state bar: "you'll have to ask a lawyer... and pay us to find you one."
  6. local [civil rights] lawyer: "Wow, sounds like you've done you're homework, I'll look into it." {no further replies}
  7. police: "It's a university matter." {No, it isn't, the state statute exists completely independent of the university and any/all of its regulations.}

Aaaaargh!! Where do I go for an answer to the question of whether or not this law is valid!?
It is obvious that it is not, which is the whole point.

21 posted on 11/24/2010 10:15:26 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: neverdem

This BULLCRAP isn’t going to stand!!!


22 posted on 11/24/2010 10:15:43 AM PST by Lions Gate
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To: oh8eleven

Figures.


23 posted on 11/24/2010 10:19:21 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: neverdem
This is an ignorant article.

The plaintiff's specific interests aside, the judge was correct to grant the injunction, and there's no need to invoke the Islam boogey-man to see why.

Here's an example of the author's ignorance:

To appreciate how strange the judge’s decision is, imagine if Oklahoma had passed a law saying that state courts could not substitute Roman Catholic canon law for state and federal law. No serious person would protest that this somehow inhibited Catholics in the practice of their religion.

In the real world, courts are often required to rule on matters involving religious organizations -- property cases, and the like. In making those rulings, judges often rely on the rules and regulations of the religious organization (including Canon Law), to determine which party has the better claim.

This law would prevent a judge from using organizational rules to make his decision. Instead, he'd have to rely on state and federal laws ... which probably wouldn't exist, because the First Amendment forbids it.

What Spakovsky derides as unimaginable, is in fact the way religion-related lawsuits are actually handled.

Mr. Spakovsky seems to be animated more by fear of Islam than anything else. That blinds him to the broader and damaging implications of the Oklahoma law.

24 posted on 11/24/2010 10:34:29 AM PST by r9etb
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To: SamuraiScot
she enjoined the state from certifying the election results I don't think simply appealing rulings like this and waiting for sanity to strike is enough anymore. So, which of these other options do you think would be preferable? 1) Ignore the ruling, certify the election, and go on with life; or 2) on the theory that the just authority of real judges (as opposed to this ungulate) would suffer if we flout stupid rulings, start a multi-year, Congressional campaign to impeach and remove all judges who flagrantly ignore or disobey the Constitution as written.

Both! Sharia law goes against the Constitution and judges should know that. If they are not going to honor their oath then they should be gone.

25 posted on 11/24/2010 10:38:31 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: neverdem
Sharia Law: Coming Soon to a Courtroom Near You - An Oklahoma judge rules against the public... "

Easy! Find a moslem who has converted to whatever... Take them to court (Sharia of course)... and request the stoning penalty. Or as an alternative, you could pretty much take half the population of the USA... request the same punishment for adultery. Then again, you could take all those unmarried mothers... request the same punishment... Always ask for a Demo judge of course.

Do it now and do it very often.

26 posted on 11/24/2010 10:39:28 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: NTHockey
The Mormons were made to change their religious beliefs (in polygamy) as condition of Utah statehood. Now Mohammedans have succeeded in establishing THEIR law over all of us.

I didn't know that Sharia was a problem in Oklahoma.

27 posted on 11/24/2010 10:42:52 AM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: neverdem
The plaintiff asserted that his First Amendment rights would be violated if Oklahoma’s constitution was amended to implement this ban against consideration of Sharia law. The amendment, he claimed, would constitute official “disapproval” of his religion.

Uh, Mr. Moslem, Sharia law is not a religion. Like the US Constitution, it is a set of rules.

Celebrate your religion all you want. Write all the wills you want. Just don't violate US Federal, State or Local laws. If that proves too difficult, perhaps you should leave.

28 posted on 11/24/2010 11:11:08 AM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Mr. Wright
I looked for a Wiki entry on Yahoo and Google, but I had no luck. How did you find it?

Miles-LaGrange was nominated by President William J. Clinton on September 22, 1994, to a seat on the United States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma vacated by Lee Roy West. She was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 7, 1994, and received her commission on November 28, 1994. She began her service as chief judge in 2008.

That's what I wanted to know, which Senate confirmed this nut. Thank you. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
29 posted on 11/24/2010 11:45:03 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: SamuraiScot

#2


30 posted on 11/24/2010 11:47:25 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
This is obviously a very stupid woman, so if I were OK, I would ignore her adn certify the reuslts of the election. But that's just me.
31 posted on 11/24/2010 11:52:08 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Looking forward to kicking Chicago out of Washington.)
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To: NTHockey

“I feel your pain.”


32 posted on 11/24/2010 11:59:56 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Mr. K
Then fire anyone who fails to do their job.(impeach? how the hell do you get rid of judges?)

There was a black federal judge who was impeached and removed. I forget his name. He's now a Congressman.

33 posted on 11/24/2010 12:03:38 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Mr. K

His name is Alcee Hastings(sp?), IIRC, after a 30 minute synapse. It took longer than that before I got back to the thread.


34 posted on 11/24/2010 1:59:33 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: piytar

“This will be appealed to the Fifth Circuit, which is dominated by Reagan and Bush appointees. I expect the ruling will be gutted.”

I hope so. I think Louisiana is the only other state that has a Shariah Law ban.


35 posted on 11/24/2010 11:09:22 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Mr. K
So the muzzie supporters did the two-step: They passed a law banning sharia law, so they could overturn that, and claim it means they CAN use sharia law.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I do hope you didn't mean to suggest that over 70% of Oklahoma voters, those of us who overwhelmingly voted for this amendment, are actually "muzzie supporters".

Perhaps you'd be kind enough to re-phrase your statement.

36 posted on 11/24/2010 11:20:35 PM PST by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA. FUBO.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
Start with a gay Hispanic and a lesbian Hispanic, making sure that one is an illegal alien and the other a unionized NEA member, to tie up as many of the Democrats' core constituencies as possible.

Cheers!

37 posted on 11/25/2010 6:37:29 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem

Sharia Law is an establishment of religion, forbidden buy the First Amendment to the US Constitution.


38 posted on 11/25/2010 6:39:04 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Just love those ideas!


39 posted on 11/25/2010 6:53:20 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: neverdem

As far as I can tell,

We just received another reason for keeping traditional marriage the law of the land.

Sheesssh!


40 posted on 11/26/2010 1:07:52 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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