Posted on 11/22/2010 2:59:22 PM PST by Notwithstanding
NAPLES — Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich spoke of the importance Ave Maria School of Law will have in replacing the current liberal, secular legal system during the law school’s 10th Anniversary celebration held at the Naples Ritz Carlton Beach Resort on Friday night.
The potential 2012 presidential hopeful converted to Roman Catholicism in 2009, which is the same year the law school relocated from Ann Arbor, Mich., to Naples.
The law school’s students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said. The modern, secular law, he said, can be seen every few minutes on TV.
“Ads on television, basically say ‘do you know somebody with money we could mug together?’ …Call…’” Gringrich said.
This school matters, he said, by replacing the “neutral technology for the redistribution of wealth” with a morally-based legal system.
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The budget surplus in the Clinton years did not come about until the Republicans held majority in the House. It wasn't Clinton's doing. So what we have is popular opinion giving credit to Clinton for budget surpluses , when it was due much more to the Republican House of that era (which Gingrich lead as Speaker), and then later we have the very Dems themselves whom increased (double? triple?) deficit spending after they achieved majorities in the Senate & House during the last 2 years of W's admin, who then got away with blaming it all on Bush, and "Republicans" in general.
Don't look now, but you've been bamboozled...
Did “W”run surpluses the other 6 years?
Yeah. The Catholic (that’s capital C, as in corporate, as in not “universal,” but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/
Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).
Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.
Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.
If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.
You wrote:
“Yeah. The Catholic (that’s capital C, as in corporate, as in not “universal,” but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/”
The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?
“Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).”
No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.
“Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.”
False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.
“Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.”
There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.
“If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.”
There is no Christianity without the Church. That’s how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.
No, I don't think so... though perhaps in the beginning? Which, if there were surpluses then, were most certainly NOT Democrat Party managed ones. Clinton was forced through public pressure to concede to the Republicans, after his party lost ground after midterm elections in his first term. (where were you? you mean you don't remember this stuff? geez...) but the graphs I've seen showed the deficit tending steadily downwards in the few years immediate to the Democrats winning both House and Senate during the second W admin, after which it shot up dramatically.
The Democrats kept pointing at the Republicans crying "earmarks!" when they themselves were as almost as much of a problem in that sort of spending, when one looks at how many seats they held prior to '06. After that time, with the Democrats in power "earmark" spending, along with overall spending greatly increased, yet they kept blaming it all on the Republicans. They got away with doing so, to a large degree in '08.
Are you still drinking THAT kool-aide?
“The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?”
Christ’s church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither “pope” nor “priest” decides who’s in or who’s out, just our High Priest Jesus.
“No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.”
Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire. Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since. And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didn’t work then, bad idea now.
“False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.”
Yep. You got it right. That’s exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries — to improve, or, as you put it “clarify,” things for God. Yikes. Kinda like activist judges — “interpreting” the law for their own purposes.
“There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.”
Actually, I’m so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology. The Founders of Christianity — Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth — left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual “constitution,” our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.
“There is no Christianity without the Church. That’s how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.”
On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what I’ve said.
Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 — or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter? Most Catholics whom I know and love — including family members — are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.
No I’m not a Koolaide drinker. I think both parties are fiscal felons. You know “W” had veto power and he was the purveyor of the last great new entitlement.....Medicare prescription drug. An unfunded entitlement at that.
Now the GOP is identifying 100 billion in budget cuts. That’s less then 3% of the deficit. Not the total budget....the deficit.
Your giving the Democrats the hairy eyeball.....that’s good but they’re not the only problem.
You wrote:
“Christ’s church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither “pope” nor “priest” decides who’s in or who’s out, just our High Priest Jesus.”
No. When Acts 2 was written there was only the Catholic Church. Now, there are heretics, schismatics and Christians outside the Church. You’re one of them.
“Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire.”
He never did that. Bigots often believe that. The historical fact is that Constantine legalized Christianity. The Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of the empire more than 60 years later.
“Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since.”
False. Corrupt people existed ALWAYS. There has never been a time when there has not been corrupt people since Adam and Eve fell.
“And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didn’t work then, bad idea now.”
I’m not trying to mix anything. Can’t you get anything right?
“Yep. You got it right. That’s exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries — to improve, or, as you put it “clarify,” things for God.”
Man needs clarification. Not God. Even the angels learn about God from the Church.
“Yikes. Kinda like activist judges — “interpreting” the law for their own purposes.”
Nope. Not like that at all.
“Actually, I’m so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology.”
No, I don’t think you do. You’re a liberal.
“The Founders of Christianity — Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth — left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual “constitution,” our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.”
Jesus did not leave us the Bible. He left us the Church. The Holy Spirit gave us the Bible. Is this news to you?
“On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what I’ve said.”
I’m clearly not the bigot against the Church. You are.
“Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 — or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter?”
Yes. I have read Matthew 23 and 2 Timothy and the entire Old and New Testament. I’m about to read the whole Bible - again - and it only takes about 86 hours to do it. Because my job takes up so much of my time, I’ll probably have to do it about an hour a day. I will probably read two different versions of the New Testament. I like the Ignatius Study Bible New Testament better than the NAB so I’ll probably read that after reading the entire NAB.
“Most Catholics whom I know and love — including family members — are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.”
That’s a pity.
Emphasis added to the operative word.
A politician, faking? I am shocked, shocked to hear such a thing!
I don’t think Newt is faking his conversion. I don’t assume he is a perfect Catholic, but why on earth would a man interested in political advancement in America become a Catholic when the Catholic Church is so clearly under attack here - unless it was a genuine conversion?
ve Maria, Hillsdale are like the isolated Christian monasteries during the Dark Age, keeping the light of truth alive.
I would guess you have never spent time at either place.
You would guess wrong.
Ave Maria’s vibrant faith exposes Marquette as the post-Christian dump it has become.
I couldn’t pretend to see what’s in a man’s heart. With politicians you never know. I’m sure as the sky is blue that more then a few politicians left, right, Democrat,Republican portray themselves as Christians when in reality they’re non believers. You say your an atheist or agnostic and kiss your career goodbye so it behooves them to lie. It always makes me uncomfortable when politicians go on about their deep religious faith in a campaign. Who knows what they really believe? Your running for office in the Bible Belt or just about anywhere else and when asked about your religious beliefs you say your an agnostic or unsure.....at least you can be sure you won’t get elected.
That being said. Newt may have found a spiritual home or he may be using the church as a means of giving him a fresh start and distance from his previous missteps.
The Lord himself only knows. You or I don’t.
You wrote:
“You or I don’t.”
Know? No, neither of us knows absolutely. What I’m saying, however, makes more sense that assuming he is lying to people. Again, anyone who becomes Catholic in this country in this day an age, doesn’t to it to further a political career.
I disagree. Catholics get elected to office all the time. Would it hurt him among Republican voters if he runs for the nomination? Maybe among the pope is the anti-Christ set. They’re a pretty small minority in the GOP. In the general election? I don’t think so. The last presidential candidate who was Catholic (nominally) was Kerry. Does anyone think he lost because he’s a Catholic? He lost because he’s Kerry.
You wrote:
“I disagree. Catholics get elected to office all the time.”
Think. How many converts to the Catholic faith have been elected to NATIONAL office lately? ZERO. How many ever? ZERO. How many US presidents have been Catholic? One. Just ONE. If Newt want to run for president, his Catholicism will be a problem. The same goes for Bobby Jindal.
“Would it hurt him among Republican voters if he runs for the nomination? Maybe among the pope is the anti-Christ set. They’re a pretty small minority in the GOP. In the general election? I don’t think so.”
History PROVES otherwise. Again, one Catholic president EVER. That’s EVER.
“The last presidential candidate who was Catholic (nominally) was Kerry. Does anyone think he lost because he’s a Catholic? He lost because he’s Kerry.”
He wasn’t a convert either.
There’s only two national elected offices in this country. One of them is held by a Catholic.
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