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Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile - WND Video
WND ^ | 11/20/10 | WND

Posted on 11/21/2010 11:45:59 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.

They further suggest the missile was fired from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine off America's coast, and point out that the timing of the alleged Chinese missile shot coincided with an increasing confrontation between the U.S. and China, and was likely meant to send a message to Washington.

Indeed, the Federal Aviation Administration documents that there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; californiamissile; chat; china; contrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; nationaldefense; tinfoilbrigade; ups902; worldnutdaily
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Of course it was a missile. And it was fired away from the mainland because in the Asian mind this is not to be seen as an act of war but more of a message.

The message was:

1. We can do this. Whenever we want.

2. You are powerless to do anything about it.

3. In fact, you are so powerless, you will have to lie to your people about what it was because they would undoubtedly be so outraged they would demand you do something but you could do nothing.

21 posted on 11/21/2010 12:54:12 PM PST by riri
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To: Hot Tabasco
Thanks for the reminders about Ash and company. Now the "black helicopters" are a different story. Seems the US Department of Defense and the State Department, the major users of "fleet helicopters", got into the habit of REMOVING all US government markings on surplus equipment, and then painting it black before sale.

It was quite a regular thing around here for them to fly "black helicopters" from the Pentagon, Navy Yard, Belvoir, bases in Maryland and so on Down to Quantico for "auction". Frankly I had a difficult time getting my mind around the idea that there weren't "black helicopters" somewhere since we saw them all the time ~ but we knew what they were and where they were going and why. The FBI has its training center at Quantico, which is otherwise a Marine Base.

22 posted on 11/21/2010 12:57:14 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I saw a missile but it was really only cool for less than a minute. Yeah, I filmed the smoke plume after the boost stages for around 8-9 minutes too, but I thought that was boring and so it must never, ever be shown. I’ll only ever show that minute, and I’ll edit it too. It needed editing for some reason, I don’t know why, I just felt like it, secret missile footage just isn’t as cool without editing for some reason.

Freegards


23 posted on 11/21/2010 12:57:18 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: riri
BTW, careful examination of the video regarding the clouds at the bottom reveals that IF that were a missile it was about ONE MILE WIDE.

You do realize NOBODY has 'em that big.

24 posted on 11/21/2010 12:59:27 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: CALawyer
Planes vary from their schedules depending on the wind and unanticipated traffic. Having flown enough (several million miles) I know that you can't count on airline arrival times ~ that's why they focus on departure times as a way to evaluate performance.

It's not even worth wearing a watch ~~ it'll just make you anxious.

25 posted on 11/21/2010 1:02:36 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Rational Thought

Great circle route, WX and ATC concerns.

Remember, one of the places ATC loves to take you in if you are overflying a major airport is 25,000 feet plus over that airport, because all the local traffic is down at 10,000 or less.


26 posted on 11/21/2010 1:26:21 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: CALawyer
Since the “missile” was heading east, where did it land??

Ontario airport.....;-)

I looked at www.passur.com for 11/8, backtarcked to the right time, and there is UPS902. And guess what? It makes a small turn to the right as it descends. And lo and behold, if you watch the video, you see the plane turn and the contrail vanish as it drops down in altitude.

It is so damn easy to work through this, and now idiots are claiming "no record of any flights" to prop up their missile conspiracy ideas. Unbelievable......

27 posted on 11/21/2010 2:12:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: MindBender26

Are you saying there was or was not a a NOTAM and/or Notice to Mariners?
A guy looked up the NOTAM and Notice to Mariners on a radio show. I Am just being sarcastic to the Commie sub guys asking why would we issue a notices to their launch.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 2:15:58 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: MindBender26

Are you saying there was or was not a a NOTAM and/or Notice to Mariners?
A guy looked up the NOTAM and Notice to Mariners on a radio show. I Am just being sarcastic to the Commie sub guys asking why would we issue a notices to their launch.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 2:18:21 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: MindBender26
“It was USAirlines/America West flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. There is definitive radar track of it”

You read this on the internet, so it must be true!

It just took the Pentagon and NORAD several days to figure this out and put together this story with all those supporting witnesses,since it looks like the Americawest crew is too busy to appear and show/confirm their flight plan.

My God, call the DoD and offer your services, you may avert WW4.

30 posted on 11/21/2010 3:14:27 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Rational Thought

stop with the logical observations, you tinfoil-hat wearing fool
sarc


31 posted on 11/21/2010 3:15:57 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: mountainlion

There is a standing NOTAM for the area, reissued every week.


32 posted on 11/21/2010 3:19:53 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-1, Go Cowboys! Beat OK)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

It was really Batboy, but Obummer wants to cover it up. (Something about Batboy’s connection to Sasquatch. You know how touchy they are about Sasquatch these days!)


33 posted on 11/21/2010 3:22:52 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: silverleaf
What's funny is most of us who saw this video thought it looked like a missile. The Government responded, “we don't know what it was, but it's not a threat”. It wasn't until the next day that we were told by Government it was some sort of passenger jet.

Skeptical? Well, this explanation came from the same Government who tells us terrorist attacks on our soil are not terrorist attacks, the border is more secure now than ever, Global Warming is a proven fact (caused by man), and with a leader who claims that our economy has improved.

So, why would anyone be skeptical of their explanation of what our lying eyes told us was a missile?

34 posted on 11/21/2010 3:33:56 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: gandalftb
How about the Naval closure?
35 posted on 11/21/2010 3:36:16 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Rational Thought

if General Tom McInerney (combat pilot) said it was not a contrail, I believe him. One of the smartest generals in the USAF in his time.


36 posted on 11/21/2010 4:00:38 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Rational Thought
So you bothered listening to government blathering?

I started asking questions about the reality of the CBS claims ~ to wit, that it looked like a missile launch.

Didn't look like one to me ~ not even from the beginning. It was pretty obviously a jet coming over LA on its way to another airport ~ the contrails were spectacular, and in that clear air you could see way across the Pacific.

37 posted on 11/21/2010 4:29:11 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: mountainlion

Not aware of any other than the standing, off limits areas.


38 posted on 11/21/2010 5:23:54 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-1, Go Cowboys! Beat OK)
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To: MindBender26
There is definitive radar track of it.

Link please. You'll be the first one to show it.

After the video stops, hundreds of people reported they watched it continue northeast bound overhead.

Link please. You'll be the first one to post it on FR.

The videographer who shot it said in a broadcast interview that he has seen this a number of times.

Link please. Again, you will be the first to post it here.

39 posted on 11/21/2010 6:38:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: CALawyer
In looking at the flight tracking data, it was IMO probably a UPS MD-11 from Hawaii to Ontario, California. Given its altitude, the plane was still far west of Catalina Island when the video and photos were shot at around 5:15 p.m. to 5:20 p.m.

UPS902 was over Catalina Island at 17:31:33. Its altitude was ~ 30,000 feet. It was 35 miles south of Long Beach at 17:33:01. Altitude ~ 29,000 feet. It was then 20 miles south of Costa Mesa at 17:34:29 at ~ 29,000 feet.

Data gathered from Airport Monitor Bob Hope Airport

40 posted on 11/21/2010 6:51:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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