Posted on 11/20/2010 11:34:24 PM PST by JohnKinAK
Glenn Beck said today that he has spoken to military experts about the mystery contrail from a few weeks ago and he says it’s definitely not a plane, but rather a two stage missile. He just wants to know where it came from, and he has a theory. Beck postulates that this missile was possibly from a Chinese sub off the coast of California, perhaps as a show of force to the world, but even more so to President Obama.
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The biggest mystery about this to me is not the video of the whatever. It’s just too little to come to absolute certainty about. It was the government’s reaction to it. It was uncertain, confused and morphed into gooberment speak.
You've got that right, partially, at least! The "UFO coverup" IS total *hogwash*, meaning their attempt at it!!!
Since you had no comment to my 'CE-1' or 'exotic matter' references, you've confirmed at least that you are clueless about the 'total' UFO field information and facts.
What planet have you been living on when it comes to the UFO sightings and abductions? Jesus H. Sheeeesh!!!! I have no respect for it. It’s fantasy crap. If you sign onto that kind of thing. I can go nowhere with presenting the data this was a UPS jet. You will never accept it.
I have no respect for it. It’s fantasy crap. If you sign onto that kind of thing. I can go nowhere with presenting the data this was a UPS jet. You will never accept it.
Chemtrails and alien abductions/craft are BS.
Take the pain.
Thee is no scientific evidence ever presented and more then likely there never WILL be any.
Anyone signing onto such things is woefully misinformed, naive, ignorant, foolish. No skeptical skills, no understanding of basic scientific process.
A rube for others to sell crap too.
Enjoy.
It’s pathetic.
You will definitely live to regret this uneducated reply. It is YOU who are pathetic. Try running your stupid opinion by a personal 40-year-long friend of mine who was actually abducted and had a radiosond (the size of a piece of rice, only charcoal in color) with thousands of diamond-shaped flat sides to it removed from his ankle. You people will have a rude awakening, and soon! It’s you nay-saying know-it-alls who may die of cardiac arrest someday soon because you weren’t prepared for the truth!!!!!
I can come to no other conclusion. I don't know which it is, but I know it is one of the two.
I SINCERELY hope it is the first possility, or that if it's the second, he believes 100 percent that it's not to protect Obama, but to protect American military.
Most of the people who buy the airplane contrail, when asked directly, say they've never seen a live missile launch, but they've seen a lot of airplane contrails and they're awfully clever with slide-rules and computations and such. The unspoken implication is that they're obviously a lot more "sensible" than a bunch of "kooks" in California, an experienced news camerman in a very competitive market, a couple of Air Force generals, an editor of Jane's, veteran missileers, etc. It explains why you've actually seen contrailers naively crow, "Well, if it was a missile launch, Mr. smartypants, where was the sonic boom? Huh?" *sigh* All you can do is shake your head and think, "You've never seen a missile launch, have you?" But oops ... that's bragging, and meanwhile you marvel over their breathtaking, if generally civil and polite, arrogance.
Everyone has seen and mused over unusual airline contrails. We all have experience there. A person -- any person -- who has watched with binoculars missile launches 25 to 160 miles distant knows absolutely hands-down that it is FANTASY that any cognizant adult equipped with magnification in binocs or a professional camera could confuse a missile launch in that range with a commercial airline contrail. Pure fantasy.
THEREFORE, either there was premeditated malicious intent and considerably skilled and advanced technical tampering with the original footage on the part of CBS and/or Gil Leyvas, or this was a missile launch. The possibility of the former is so nil as to be discountable.
THEREFORE, anyone who's actually seen a lot of missile launches, military or civilian when they saw them, knows that every bit of hocus pocus and wishful thinking attempting to "prove" the video (photos from which appear almost not at all in proportion to the mountain of photos from other sources which claim to be this, that, or the other, but NOT from the video) is wrong.
Knowing this is not bragging, not ego, it's not "being smarter than you," it's not "You're such a dumb bunny." It's just plain being a human on the ground using the sense God gave you to assess what's going on. As for me, I confirmed and double-checked with folks as experienced and more informed than me, just to make sure. I looked at the light cast on the plume, and spoke at great length with a person who is a professional in a field involving aviation perspective and lighting. I grabbed a map. I talked to all kinds of people whose experiences in seeing missile launches have been different than mine -- from at sea, for example, and commercial fishing in the area. I come back here and I see the same tired old tactics -- still photos, distractions, shiny objects, emotional rants, ridicule, insults, and demands for theories as to who, then, fired the missile (I don't know; that's beyond my purview; I only know that calling Leyvas' video footage of a commercial airliner is pure unadulterated bullsh*t).
Assiduously avoided by the dedicated "disprovers" is footage of the actual video. They throw everything but the kitchen sink at viewers' eyes: pictures of this, that, and the other, graphs, diagrams, and more photos of things to compare. The possibilities in that kind of distraction are literally infinite. To add insult to injury, they work exclusively in still photos, which by definition cannot convey time or movement -- yet discount the Leyvas video completely because, apparently, it is a bunch of still shots that have been cleverly manipulated and "edited" in order to fool you and me into mistaking an airliner leaving a contrail for a missile. That is so very convenient for the contrail folks, since still photos are THE ONLY WAY that airline contrails can ever fool anyone on the ground into mistaking them for missile plumes.
Yet in the end, there's only ONE photographic image that is established absolutely as being what it is: that captured in the Leyvas video. Everything else -- all other images, comparisons, alleged views of the same event from different locations -- ALL, except from LAX webcam, I suppose, are either useless technically or unverifiable. They serve zero purpose but to distort, distract and confuse from the video in question.
Rick Warren took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining that each one was to be used as evidence against the "phony" missile launch.
That's about it.
Yeah sure.
Whatever you say.
My analytical abilities served me well throughout a career in R&D, so I welcome having you list a few of my analytic failures (numbered, so I can address them) here. Have at it!. ;-)
(Did I just validate your first conjecture? Inflated? nous verrons...)
Be fairly warned that I will not be overly gentle in pointing out any of yours you make in doing so... (I already have a waiting list to work from.) '-}
I remind you that, to correctly identify a mockingbird, it is of minuscule experiential value to have seen a California Condor... (Your largest failure in logic [or hubris...] -- so far.)
Let the games begin! :-)
“THEREFORE, either there was premeditated malicious intent and considerably skilled and advanced technical tampering with the original footage on the part of CBS and/or Gil Leyvas, or this was a missile launch. The possibility of the former is so nil as to be discountable.”
The footage was manipulated whether it was a missile or a contrail, by KCBS, right? I mean, they edited it, and chose what parts of the footage to put on their newscast, no matter what it was. Seems like if KCBS would just show the whole thing uncut it would be easy to tell, it would either eventually look like a plane or the smoke would just stop, as the boost stages were over. I also think it’s weird that they didn’t choose to show a clip of the lingering smoke trail after the boost stages and the missile disappeared.
I think it likely that the reason they don’t is because it would show a plane, which would give the CBS name yet another black eye.
Freegards
Finny, good post, thanks for the ping.
As for some of the so called UPS contrail experts on FR, they are most likely government shills.
BTW: contrailscience’s website owner is still wet behind the ears. (see below).
Your so-called expert:
ContrailScience.com is just a place where I write about both contrails and science – which also includes some looking at the “chemtrails” theory, and the pseudoscience associated with it.
My name is Mick West, I’m a private pilot (in training, I have a solo certification, and have flown a 150 mile solo flight).
I’ve been training out of Santa Monica airport, so I know the airspace round here. I like writing, and figuring things out. See something odd in the sky? Let me know.
I’m not a scientist, or a meteorologist, but I like to think that what I post is comprised of independently verifiable facts. You can check the facts yourself. If you find ANY error on this site, then let me know and I will issue a correction immediately. < snip >
Talking about unverified data!!! Your whole position is built on a cBS LIE!!!
What proof do you have of cBS's video's validity? Please produce it.
Why are you putting your trust in the MSM -- when all reputable FReepers see them for exactly what they are: the ones who got the illegal Kenyan socialist who's squatting in our White House elected?
Do some work -- for a change...
Show us your results -- right here on FR.
Our military is focused on real threats. It has never been good at explaining why something it knows is not a threat is not a threat other than saying it's not a threat. Our systems immediately identify missile launches and similar events the minute they happen. When they don't happen...there is no warning. The FAA is responsible for tracking air traffic. In this case it did. And as far as the FAA is concerned, nothing unusual happened on 8 November. The only unusual event that took place on 8 November was a news crew speculating about a contrail that struck them as unusual. It is not the responsibility of the Federal government to convince people who want to believe something happened, that nothing happened. It just isn't, because the reality is, there is plenty for the government to focus on that is real.
And he has been wrong all three times! (Follow link above...)
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Have you noticed the massive font size...red bold print and underlining? When someone does that I ignore everything they say...if you can’t make a point without the cyber version of screaming...you obviously don’t believe a word you are saying~
o my gosh...you are such a spin doctor...do you think we are stupid or what?
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