Amazing Interview: Air Force General says "Sub Launched Missile, 100% Certain"

Fox News Interview with Air Force General Tom McInerney | November 14th 2010 | Fox News Hannity Interview

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.

[eastforker]

Yet, a mile wide UFO reported a while back in Stephenville Texas, that was witnessed by lots of local folks was met with nothing but denial from our govt. experts, we were told our people”air force” had nothing going on in the area, and that statement was proven to be a lie. Now, having said that, I still have no ide what that incident was about, but, you will never convince the people that witnessed it that it didn’t happen.What I am getting at is I will never take what the govt. says as fact unless it is so blatent they have no other way to explain it.I think the govt.even has a school that teaches how to decieve the public on just about any subject.

[muawiyah]

Seems this situation had one witness. He made a film. He reports the story different ways every time he's asked.

It happened in full view of tens of millions of people otherwise.

No doubt grist for the UFO mill eh.

[justa-hairyape]

Its decent profile from that point took it on a course over Catalina VOR, continued ESE to a turn to the NNW approximately 7 miles NNW of Escondido. This gave it a glide path of approximately 195 miles from 33.22, -119.14 to landing at KONT.

This is the major problem with Flight 902, beside the fact that it is coming in high and fast. Its speed, position and time with relation to the observation of the Helicopter Pilot. What appears at ContrailScience is immaterial to that.

Was over Catalina Island at 17:31:33 on November 8th (FlightMonitor Bob Hope). We will assume travel speed prior to this was 500 mph. Low side. Was still at 30,000 feet. Helicopter pilot said he noticed the Contrail/Plume at 17:15. So, that puts the flight approximately 64 miles west-southwest of San Nicolas Island (8.3 miles/minute) at the time of first observation. The pilot said at 5:15 pm it appeared to be 35 miles southwest of Los Angeles. Cannot be Flight 902. At that time it was 132 miles west-southwest of Catalina when the pilot first noticed the contrail/plume. Is it your contention that the pilot not only mistook 132 miles for 35 miles, but he also lost visual contact with the plane after it stopped making a contrail ? That is getting to the realm of fantasy, since the pilot has over 10 years experience. And was using a professional zoom camera setup.

All Contrail Science has done is find the closet plane to the event, which was not difficult since there are really only two possibilities. And their photos are junk, unless of course you think they could pick up a jet at 30,000 feet more then 35 miles away, as their photos supposedly demonstrate. No one else has produced any image with a plane/object that big. Not even going to get into how they could capture an image at 500 mph in low light without blur.

[justa-hairyape]

Pyramids to UFO’s all in one day. And you claim to be the sane ones.

[Niteflyr]

All Contrail Science has done is find the closet plane to the event, which was not difficult since there are really only two possibilities.

Seems that way...start with a premise and do everything to make your premise correct...

[muawiyah]

Just watched all the videos from Stephensville TX.

Hmmm.

None of them are "blue" like the one we just had here, so they're probably fake.

They launched jet fighters on this local sighting ~

[justa-hairyape]

In this interview, he says “it was growing” twice. The second time he said it was very telling. He included it in this sentence: “IT was unique, IT was MOVING, IT was growing”. So the “IT” HAD to be the object, because if he was talking about the plume, he most certainly wouldn’t have said THAT was moving”1

Or he was referring to a process where an object is making and creating a plume. Which it obviously was. You are clutching at the tiniest of straws. Playing words semantics. Planes cannot physically grow. Only plumes can physically grow. If he was referring to only the plane as you assume, he would have used the word closer.

[muawiyah]

Parallax explains the whole question you are raising. We always had that with postal scales until we got rid of the beam balances and brought in digital.

To an extent they are not as accurate as the beam balance but people take comfort in those 5 digits of precision.

Notice that FREEPER TIME is always 10 minutes into the future anyway.

[muawiyah]

"Pyramids"?

Nobody said nothin' 'bout no pyramids.

I used the term "triangle" and used a method of surveying developed by the ancient Egyptians to figure out how big the "missile" (if there was a missile) might be.

Here's the situation ~ we have this supposedly massive event in the sky which involves an enormous rocket spewing contrails all over the place ~ "lighting up the sky" as one headline had it AND, like so many other UFO stories, there's ONE EYEWITNESS and HE HAS A FILM.

I'm sorry ~ but, Bwahahahahahahaha!

This same eyewitness claims he has made the same film of the same event before!

I expect the Rielians to start jumping out of the woodwork about now to tell you the truth.

Or, alternatively, it was an airplane!

[justa-hairyape]

Thanks for the numbers. Will check it out later tonight. So the camera heading was 24 degrees south of due west ? So that would put point of sunset about half way to the right edge of the image (approximately) ?

Signing off till tonight.

[Ronald_Magnus]

I honestly think this cameraman knew EXACTLY what it was(an airplane), but because it looked rather unusual, the temptation to put it out there and have the gullible among us believe it was a missile was just too good to pass up. I normally don’t watch Hannity, but I would if he dragged this guy on his show and did a lengthy interview.

[lbahneman]

Gil Leyvas is not a pilot. He is a cameraman for KCBS. He sits behind the pilot/copilot. The FAA frowns upon pilots looking into camera viewfinders (fitted with light-blocking blinders) while VFR helicopter flights in heavily trafficked airspace.

The simple fact that you believed he was the pilot while acquiring that footage says a lot about where your level of thinking and understanding lies.

I won't even touch your lack of understanding of such a basic human concept as visual perception (pertaining to viewing a moving object at a distance).

In the face of such ignorance (though I have to respect their candor in expressing it so publicly), I have to make this my last post on the matter. There's no real gain here by either side. One side has scientific evidence, the other side can not and will not produce any. The one side relies on multiple, independent observations to support their theory, the other side has one (KCBS video). Basic scientific method versus a complete lack of methodology.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Wow.

I already answered this.

[Ronald_Magnus]

“Gil Leyvas is not a pilot. He is a cameraman for KCBS. He sits behind the pilot/copilot”

I’d like to hear the opinion of the chopper pilot on this subject. I’m sure he and Gil discussed it while it was happening. Conversation probably went something like this:

Gil: Wow, look at that!

Pilot: Yeah, that bad boy is connin’ big time.

Gil: Hey, you think if we taped it and put it on the news, somebody out there might believe it’s a missile or something? Could be good for a laugh.

Pilot: Suit yourself, but I don’t think anybody is THAT gullible.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Perhaps if you haven’t seen many, or any, missile launches, you would not recognize one.

The four high level experts that I have found and quoted and linked to, do recognize one when they see it. It was very easy.

Your “mathematics” I will politely call spurious, as you do not know any of the parameters needed to even being calculating properly: you do not know the distance to the event, the width of the smoke exhaust at the base near the ocean (lost in the ocean mist and fog), you do not know the altitude or height of the plume, the wind speed, the beginning rocket speed, the acceleration speed and vector, and on and on.

You do not know where the cameraman was in the LA basin area, how high up, how far away, or where he was pointing his camera. Due West? W/NW? From Santa Monica? The Palisades? From Long Beach? Redondo? How far inland? Do you have those co-ordinates? You don’t, and no one does, so NO valid calculations can be made.

Constantly repeating that this is a “half mile wide exhaust plume” and “the biggest missile in the world” does not make it come true -— you look foolish repeating this false assertation so often.

As I predicted, your reply begins with a sneering insult.

I am sorry that you do not have any or sufficient mathematical training or expertise - no need to get angry about it.

Ask others here: your “calculations” and those of “contrail science” are unsubstantiated and have no basis in fact - no matter how many times you post them from your armchair.

People who should know and who DO know missiles and true science have said what I have said, and what other FReepers have said:

This anomalous event, is SPECTACULAR. Hasn’t happened ever before off the coast of Los Angeles. Lit up the sky. It literally “takes your breath away” but if you can’t see that then I cannot help you.

Over and over people have tried to help you; here is one of their posts which I know will have no effect but perhaps he is better able to do battle with your mathematics and overlays of contrails that are unrelated in their entirety to this event.

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“Its descent profile from that point took it on a course over Catalina VOR, continued ESE to a turn to the NNW approximately 7 miles NNW of Escondido. This gave it a glide path of approximately 195 miles from 33.22, -119.14 to landing at KONT.

This is the major problem with Flight 902, beside the fact that it is coming in high and fast. Its speed, position and time with relation to the observation of the Helicopter Pilot. What appears at ContrailScience is immaterial to that.

Was over Catalina Island at 17:31:33 on November 8th (FlightMonitor Bob Hope). We will assume travel speed prior to this was 500 mph. Low side. Was still at 30,000 feet. Helicopter pilot said he noticed the Contrail/Plume at 17:15. So, that puts the flight approximately 64 miles west-southwest of San Nicolas Island (8.3 miles/minute) at the time of first observation. The pilot said at 5:15 pm it appeared to be 35 miles southwest of Los Angeles. Cannot be Flight 902. At that time it was 132 miles west-southwest of Catalina when the pilot first noticed the contrail/plume. Is it your contention that the pilot not only mistook 132 miles for 35 miles, but he also lost visual contact with the plane after it stopped making a contrail ?

That is getting to the realm of fantasy, since the pilot has over 10 years experience. And was using a professional zoom camera setup.

All Contrail Science has done is find the closet plane to the event, which was not difficult since there are really only two possibilities. And their photos are junk, unless of course you think they could pick up a jet at 30,000 feet more then 35 miles away, as their photos supposedly demonstrate. No one else has produced any image with a plane/object that big. Not even going to get into how they could capture an image at 500 mph in low light without blur.”

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Contrail-science web site, is junk. Laughable junk as a matter of fact.

As explained above by another.

And the big yellow dot in the ocean seen on the CBS website is also, like all speculation and calculations seen here on FR, just that: wild unverified speculation. It seems to be just a reporter’s guess. In reality no one has the faintest idea where, when, direction, distance, location, altitude, time, etc of this amazing offshore event.

Think about it.

Please send all your further calculations to the Jane’s Missile and Rocket Magazine Editor, Doug Richardson. I am sure he will be pleased to receive your very detailed and precise calculations based on your personal knowledge and expertise, and be sure to inform him that you have solved everything by announcing that it was just a boring old daily flight of an aircraft, flying over the LA coastline on its way to nearby Ontario airport, to land... and not the heavy intense exhaust effluvia of an SLBM rocket rising up out of the ocean off our coast.

I am sure the Editor, with all his years of knowledge and experience and expertise in missiles is awaiting your email even now as we speak. You really should let him know.

Be sure to Cc Lieutenant General T G McInerny and Robert Ellsworth, frm Deputy Secretary of Defense !!!

Just don’t Bcc me or TigersEye or Finny or HirsuteApe, and a few rational others on FR; we have had enough.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Here is my first photo that I asked everyone about, 1000 posts ago:

Tell me, can you not see that this is a missile launch, and we are looking at it rise from the surface of the ocean, go up into the sky, and then head AWAY from the Los Angeles coast? Did you watch the speed on this thing??? Did you see the massive volume of the propellant coming out of the back of this rocket, the effluvia???

Does anyone really think that this is an airliner, high flat wispy condensation trail passing straight over our heads, and not a missile launch, as the Jane's expert Doug Richardson is calling it,

and as the former Under Secretary of Defense (!) and Frm US Ambassador to NATO Robert Ellsworth is calling it,

and as Lieutenant General T G McInerny absolutely states without a doubt on Hannity: "That is a missile shot from a submarine!"?

Or Marco Caceres of the Teal Group, Fairfax VA who said “It can’t belong to anyone but the military".

Why do all four experts say exactly what we ourselves who live in California can see with our own eyes?

You really can't see it? Well then I cannot help you.

But I guess you could always go with the Fox News panelist who tried to convince us otherwise by saying "That is a toy rocket launched by kids. As a prank".

Or you could go with the Pentagon "It is not a threat" ...

Hmmmm, lot of dis-infomation out there.

And, by the way, why has the original 10 minute tape disappeared and is not to be found on the web anywhere?

Tell me, can you not see that this is a missile launch, and we are looking at it rise from the surface of the ocean, go up into the sky, and then head AWAY from the Los Angeles coast? Did you watch the speed on this thing??? Did you see the massive volume of the propellant coming out of the back of this rocket, the effluvia???

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

The lighting of the setting sun clearly shows that it’s headed northwest.
What amazes me is that anyone thinks this “object” is headed eastbound...seem to be taking that model and trying to make everything fit no matter what~

952 posted on November 16, 2010 2:56:09 PM GMT+09:00 by Niteflyr

Yes

[D-fendr]

Can you provide a link to that report ?

I was quoting DontTreadOnMe2009 and asking for links and cites myself on this and related assertions. If you can get, please let me know.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Yeah! And also that they are claiming it was a UPS plane on approach Ontario Airport, for Pete’s sake! Only 50 miles due east from where the camerman was, first appearing from a south-west point 125 miles from Ontario, and 75 miles from the cameraman. Now, you’re an L.A.-Inland Empire area pilot, though you’re not a commercial pilot if I remember right, but ...
... one of those big jets significanly drops speed and altitude approaching busy airspace to land at an airport 125 miles away, doesn’t it? I mean, way too low and slow to be mistaken for a missile by anyone who’s actually SEEN a missile?

But like you say, it’s totally MOOT because the sun shows that the object in the video was heading northwest! I mean ... did common sense suddenly take a hike with these folks?

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Yes.

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956 posted on November 16, 2010 3:17:23 PM GMT+09:00 by Finny

[MilleniumBug]

I haven’t followed this thread thoroughly so excuse me if this has already been discussed, It seems to me that most everyone has been distracted away from the main event. While the planes/missiles off L.A. were heavily reported events farther North seem to have been missed. I looked at the GOES satellite video from the time of the feeding frenzy around L.A. on Nov 8. What I see is a track originating over the ocean off San Simeon, CA. The track continues over VAFB and disappears around Catalina. No other tracks are visible. I presume that jet contrails are too small to show up on the GOES video which argues that this track is from an object considerably more powerful than the hardware around L.A. Possibly an ICBM.