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To: justa-hairyape
Gil Leyvas is not a pilot. He is a cameraman for KCBS. He sits behind the pilot/copilot. The FAA frowns upon pilots looking into camera viewfinders (fitted with light-blocking blinders) while VFR helicopter flights in heavily trafficked airspace.

The simple fact that you believed he was the pilot while acquiring that footage says a lot about where your level of thinking and understanding lies.

I won't even touch your lack of understanding of such a basic human concept as visual perception (pertaining to viewing a moving object at a distance).

In the face of such ignorance (though I have to respect their candor in expressing it so publicly), I have to make this my last post on the matter. There's no real gain here by either side. One side has scientific evidence, the other side can not and will not produce any. The one side relies on multiple, independent observations to support their theory, the other side has one (KCBS video). Basic scientific method versus a complete lack of methodology.

1,032 posted on 11/16/2010 9:39:26 AM PST by lbahneman
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To: lbahneman

“Gil Leyvas is not a pilot. He is a cameraman for KCBS. He sits behind the pilot/copilot”

I’d like to hear the opinion of the chopper pilot on this subject. I’m sure he and Gil discussed it while it was happening. Conversation probably went something like this:

Gil: Wow, look at that!

Pilot: Yeah, that bad boy is connin’ big time.

Gil: Hey, you think if we taped it and put it on the news, somebody out there might believe it’s a missile or something? Could be good for a laugh.

Pilot: Suit yourself, but I don’t think anybody is THAT gullible.


1,034 posted on 11/16/2010 11:01:25 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: lbahneman
I have to make this my last post on the matter.

Good. You seem to have signed up solely to post on this subject and you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion.

1,077 posted on 11/16/2010 2:53:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: lbahneman

Thanks for the info on the helicopter location, time, orientation. First time I’ve seen that anywhere.

If you know how long the object was video taped, how long it was in view and moving, I’d appreciate it very much.


1,082 posted on 11/16/2010 3:36:09 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: lbahneman
Gil Leyvas is not a pilot. He is a cameraman for KCBS. He sits behind the pilot/copilot. The FAA frowns upon pilots looking into camera viewfinders (fitted with light-blocking blinders) while VFR helicopter flights in heavily trafficked airspace.

Was assuming the pilot, whoever they were, told CBS what the distance was. Where did I type the name Gil ? So you do not think the observer/cameraman whoever, told the pilot to head toward that rocket ? You really are clutching at straws. Must have hit a bone there.

The simple fact that you believed he was the pilot while acquiring that footage says a lot about where your level of thinking and understanding lies.

Was assuming everyone, whoever, was communicating. From what I understand the pilot, whoever, radioed back that they were seeing that strange event again. So they were even communicating back to home base.

In the face of such ignorance (though I have to respect their candor in expressing it so publicly), I have to make this my last post on the matter. There's no real gain here by either side. One side has scientific evidence, the other side can not and will not produce any. The one side relies on multiple, independent observations to support their theory, the other side has one (KCBS video). Basic scientific method versus a complete lack of methodology.

Yikes. I did not even type the name Gil. You did. I was referring to the pilot. Whoever he was he is responsible for accurately determining distances. Cause he might run out of fuel one day, if he screws it up. So Gil probably asked the Pilot, what is the distance. Or perhaps CBS asked the pilot, what was the distance. Touchy. Touchy. Does anyone of the Plane Conspiracy Crowd ever address a post topic directly ?

1,145 posted on 11/17/2010 2:24:21 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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