Posted on 11/11/2010 10:55:37 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
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You’re making my point for me.
This footage was shot immediately off the coast of southern CA. LAX radar showed 63 other aircraft in close proximity to this object at exactly the same time, yet there are no other contrails visible anywhere in the sky. This visual data is backed up by satellite imagery which shows no contrails. How is it that every other aircraft in the vicinity, with the same atmospheric conditions, is leaving no visible evidence such as a contrail? They were all doing the same thing as this object (moving up or down under their own propulsion), same conditions, but no contrails.
Moreover,if the pilot saw nearly the exact same thing the day before... why would he film this and present it to the media as a possible missile launch? Why would he get so excited, if this is such a common occurrence? Unless the NEARLY EXACT SAME THING was, in fact, the exact same thing... a missile.
A convex vapor trail suggests a ballistic trajectory, which passenger planes do not fly.
Dec 2009 Airline Contrail - Southern California
Other Angle
Airline Contrail - Key West, Fl 
June 2009 Airline Contrail - Michigan 
d=(1.50h).5
where d is the distance to the horizon (in miles) and h is the height above ground or sea level (in feet) of the eye of the observer."
For a 6' tall person the horizon is about 3 miles.
The photo at the start of the thread is taken from an elevated postion...say for argument... 1000'
in that case the horizon is about at 39 miles distance.
Given that the plane is at 37,000 feet it would appear above the horizon at a greater distance than say a ocean going vehicle.
The aircraft approaches the observer while maintaining a constant altitude, 37000', above sea level,
the observer though sees an increase in the planes azimuth with respect to the horizon as it approaches.
That would be vastly incorrect. You would expect a "corkscrew" pattern from jet engine exhaust as the contrail interacts with the wingtip vortices generated by the wings.
Below is a seriously cool picture, showing the phenomenon in an interesting way:
Now just imagine a continuous stream of condensation being acted upon that way.... and there's your corkscrew.
Your #78 is a picture of the same event as the top of the thread?
Thanks for posting. No way is that a plane contrail. That is a vertical launch with a course correction.
The slightly diminishing light value or brilliance of the cloud seems to indicate that the missile is traveling away from the observer. I’d have to see the video.
This one didn’t head straight up for long, it arced to the NW and kept on going. It never went over the roof of the sky. It didn’t ever arc overhead as an aircraft contrail would have if it was headed to the east and an destination east of LA. This didn’t it went NW and kept going NW until the video ends.
That was not a plane inbound for the US, it never arced over our shores. If it was going STRAIGHT UP in reality and was inbound for the US, then it would have disappeared that way. It didn’t. It didn’t arc overhead. it went straight up and to the rt and FADED from view.
I don't know a thing about the type of missiles we have on our subs or the type of propellant. Is is feasible we could have had a missile go unstable so the Capt. let it fly instead of possibly losing the whole sub?
Of course the military is being vague, they got caught with there pants down. China has subs operating off the West Coast all the time, we’ve been pissing them off more and more everyday with The Fed pulling money out of thin air. Why would it be impossible that a sub fired a warning shot near us.
The military knows damn well what this was, they just arent going to tell us. The only reason we even know about this is that some helicoptor got lucky with a camera. So please lets have one more idiot look at that pic and say that is an airplane.
Well said.
I meant America West flight, not USAir.
That is not even remotely imaginable.
There is a process which has to happen. The “Package” has to be delivered to the computers on the Missle. If one cooked off in the tube, it would sink the ship.
Look up the Russian Kursk, and that was just a torpedo.
When one of those big candles gets lit and launched, it literally shoves the boat DOWN deeper in the water it is that much thrust. The boar must also be at the correct depth below the surface of the water to launch. The missel doesn’t fire its engines until its out of the water. It literally rides an explosive bubble of water to the surface of the sea with enough force to launch it out of the water, once its out, then the engines fire. If the engines fired while still on the boat, yea, that would be a dead boat.
My husband served on a Boomer for 6 years in the Atlantic fleet.
Wrong, fool! The military is only telling you that because they got caught with their pants down (and their "masts" are too short to see over the horizon, poor bastards...).
The TRUTH, which they do not want you to know, is that it's because the ship is Chinese, and firing an EMP missile.
Where are the pilots in the area who saw this thing swoosh by them at mach whatever?
Since we have no way of knowing and no help from the ATC or our government I will take a wild guess.
Was it launched 100 or even 200 miles away, far away from the coast?
So there would be very very few pleasure boats paddling around ...
The number “35 miles away” is only given by the copter cameraman, who also said that it rose up from over the horizon.
How far is the horizon when you are at 1500 feet?
More than 35 miles, I would think ...
Exactly, and if it is a plane who benefits from it remaining a questionable occurrence?
~47.5 miles
Geez. Some things are just SO obvious. Where's Capt. Obvious when you need him?
An EMP missile once bit my sister.
Have you ever seen a rainbow?
Have you seen if from a private aircraft?
Have you ever seen umbrella lightning?
Where was it fired from? Very close to Mexican waters. I think it is most likely a test firing of the Tecate2 Mexican missle.
Here is a picture of one before a previous test fire:
When fired it makes a very similar track in the sky: 
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