Posted on 11/10/2010 12:58:10 PM PST by bushpilot1
The Court affirmed Vatell's Law of Nations as a part of US Domestic law on page 37.
"For two centuries we have affirmed that the domestic law of the United States recognizes the law of nations."
They sourced the translated edition of Chitty.
"eE. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Preliminaries §3 (J. Chitty et al. transl. and ed. 1883"
Lets have a look at the Chitty translated edition and see what it says about citizen parents and natural born citizens.
200 years ago the “law of nations” didn’t include the likes of Yemen, Zimbabwe or Myanmar.
Brilliant!
Or Turkey, Bolivia or China.
Can't be done. Birth certificate doesn't matter. Birthplace doesn't matter. His father wasn't a citizen. Game over -- if the Court sticks with this precedent.
Let me make sure that I understand this:
Since the US Constitution refers to the "Law of Nations" and the Law of Nations says that:
Therefore, even a person born in the US is not a natural-born citizen if both parents are not citizens. Therefore, the Hawaii BC is a moot argument.
Do I understand this correctly? If so, why is this not being said over and over with these links, or did I miss something?
I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Correction, para. 212, not 211.
If they were referring to Vatel’s book then wouldn’t they have capitalized “Law of Nations”?
I think at this point it’s better to allow him to be repudiated on his merits (lack thereof) in 2012 by the voters.
I think it’s more important for the GOP to cut the size of government than diddle around with Obama’s citizenship.
Remember, in 1994 Gingrich let the congress start in on the impeachment path and the end result was a Clinton rebound and reelection.
For once, lets just see the GOP do what they said they were going to do. The entire campaign was about cutting the size and cost of government. Not one major GOPer ran or even discussed the birther issue.
Let the states deal with the birther issue by passing clear laws that will prevent Soetero from running again unless he can pass Constitutional muster. State legislatures would do well to start defending their perogatives and the Constitution.
Any plan the relies on courts to resolve this will fail, and if it succeeded would be an unhappy precedent.
'Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members'
Lets see the long form?
I agree, the GOP shouldn’t muck with this, as this is not a political battle. However, someone should, since this is a legal battle. And I think standing should be granted to any voter or group of voters, since we have a person who is not qualified occupying the office of the president.
They did. From Article I, section 8: "To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;"
Politically, it would be far better for the voters to remove Obama, than for the courts to vacate him. However, threre is one big advantage to having him declared never-President by SCOTUS: Any laws he signed would be invalidated also. The best scenario would be for him to lose the next election, and then for SCOTUS to rule he never was President.
"Why don't you do some golfing? Go on some nice vacations? Just ... walk away from your agenda. It's our turn now. Play along, and you'll finish out your last two years in style -- Michelle will be thrilled. But, if you cause trouble, we will file the suit. And you know you'll lose."
If I understand this correctly, even the long form is moot for establishing his qualifications for president, as BHO Sr. was a foreign national at BHO Jr's birth.
Vattel is quoted at least five times in that source.
Is that the sweet scent of a smoking gun that I smell?
We have been saying it repeatedly in these threads. But the catch is, you still need the original BC to hold up in a court of law as evidence. Just because Hussein "claims" his daddy was O. Sr., doesn't mean it's legally true. The court doesn't care about what Hussein, um, Ayers wrote in Dreams because it needs a verifiable document.
I don't think you need the long form. You could use Obama's own forgery against him, since it still disqualifies him, and is an admission against interest by him.
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