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Top Aviation Journalist Is 100% Convinced That The "Missile" Was A Jet
Business Insider ^ | November 9, 2010 | Joew Wisenthal

Posted on 11/09/2010 4:39:10 PM PST by lbryce

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To: Nepeta

I do remember an incident of a airline pilot noticing what looked like a rocket whiz past his window. I thought what they determined was that a rocketry group was launching models without a permit or plan or too close to the airport.


61 posted on 11/09/2010 5:34:53 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ml/nj
The initial ascent of the Shuttle appears to be quite slow.

Well, I wouldn't rule out a throttle back for visual effect but doubt it.

62 posted on 11/09/2010 5:35:19 PM PST by Errant
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To: hflynn
This missle was a message to not just one someone but to many someones.

I'm thinkin' Michael Rivero is already on the case........

63 posted on 11/09/2010 5:35:33 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: hinckley buzzard
“I've been watching missiles(rockets) for the entire space age, ever since Vanguard and Farsides, and this was a missile.”

I respectfully disagree. Watch the helicopter in the foreground and you get a better perspective of the acceleration, and it's not accelerating. No big flame from rocket motors, just a glint from sun reflecting off of a shiny aircraft at altitude.

64 posted on 11/09/2010 5:41:09 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Errant
The Space Shuttle reaches earth orbit and a speed of 17,500 MPH in just 7 Minutes.

A ballistic missile doesn't want to accelerate to orbital velocity. It'd go into orbit and miss the target. The effects of distance and the viewer's angle vs. the ballistic arc are huge. Post 27 is right.

65 posted on 11/09/2010 5:43:03 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: lbryce

it was obviously a 747 taking off on water skiis 35 miles west of LA


66 posted on 11/09/2010 5:44:54 PM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

And that was the ONLY plane in the sky at that time? Off the coast of CA? In the whole visible sky? I don’t think so.


67 posted on 11/09/2010 5:46:07 PM PST by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: warsaw44

No to the distance it covered without seeing it in more detail to fix a relative distance to ground objects but that detail is not needed to know it was not a commercial aircraft. An SRB contrail is distinctive and this was it. The other point is that afterburners are required to give off any resemblence of a white hot ignition at the exhaust of a jet engine but the smokey contrail is not indicative of a jet afterburner.


68 posted on 11/09/2010 5:47:17 PM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: ml/nj; Errant

I too have watched a shuttle launch, STS-101 Atlantis. As a flight goes down-range they look like they are traveling slow but you know they hauling butt.

I can see the Vandenbereg launches from my living room and while I didn’t witness this incident it sure looks like a launch to me.


69 posted on 11/09/2010 5:49:09 PM PST by ResearchMonkey (commie goo every where.)
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To: lbryce; All; Quix; houeto; null and void
Guys n gals, it was an airplane contrail.

Honestly.

The interesting thing is, during the next 5 days, the next one might not be just a contrail, but this ain't the Tipping Point. When destruction comes from the sky, it's going to be solar in nature, not chemical.

Relax. Go get some cash out of the ATM. Buy extra food. Get water filtration capability. Buy an extra box of ammo. Read a Bible verse.

But this ain't Defcon 4.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

70 posted on 11/09/2010 5:54:55 PM PST by The Comedian (I really missed you. Next time, I'll adjust for windage.)
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To: mazda77
Thank you.

My only experience with contrails is watching them where I grew up in Maine. Our home was surrounded by acres of hay fields and I'd lay in the field for hours watching the aircraft leaving trails in the sky. It always seemed there were hundreds of them at once and you really couldn't make out the airplanes too well without binoculars.

These contrails would take a good long time to travel across the sky and I sure wasn't 35 miles away from them!

71 posted on 11/09/2010 5:55:55 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: lbryce
Top Aviation Journalist Is 100% Convinced That The "Missile" Was A Jet

Perhaps the tried and true "swamp gas" would be a better play.

72 posted on 11/09/2010 5:57:46 PM PST by RJL
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To: The Comedian

What airplane has a continous flame in it’s exhaust?


73 posted on 11/09/2010 5:58:03 PM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: lbryce

Twitter is hardly “BREAKING NEWS”.


74 posted on 11/09/2010 5:58:39 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: ResearchMonkey; ml/nj; Seven plus One
It's amazingly similar, but keep in mind that you are seeing an image in the video at probably maximum zoom that the camera was capable of.

Also, the UFO doesn't seem to be traveling very far before the upper level winds distort the contrail a lot. It looks to me like it's traveling at subsonic speeds. An ICBM would be into multiple mach speeds at that altitude.

I still think it was an aircraft.

75 posted on 11/09/2010 6:00:10 PM PST by Errant
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To: ResearchMonkey
As a flight goes down-range

I was talking about the initial ascent of the Shuttle viewed from five miles away.

Obviously the further away one is the slower everything appears; which is why the comment that some mistook it for a missile because of their viewing angle is so absurd.

ML/NJ

76 posted on 11/09/2010 6:01:02 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: SF_Redux

Hmm. This is a very intriguing item. Thanks very much for posting it.


77 posted on 11/09/2010 6:02:58 PM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: The Comedian

INDEED.


78 posted on 11/09/2010 6:06:58 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: lbryce

I figure it’s the Chinese flexing their muscles in desperation over our devaluing the dollar. When this administration finally collapses the dollar it’ll be bad for Americans but it’ll be worse for the Chinese because we can then repay them with Monopoly money. After all their boasting about owning our debt and our being so indebted to them - it’s like WE now have them on OUR leash. They want to call in our debt ? OK , we’ll just print up some more. Our debt used to be a large part of their economic strength. Ooops ! Sorry ‘bout that. (And - Nobody in our military wants to admit the Chinese could sneak a sub in that close.)


79 posted on 11/09/2010 6:07:39 PM PST by winged1
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To: catfish1957; All
What airplane has a continuous flame in it’s exhaust?

I believe it's a reflective artifact of sunlight. I'm not an image analysis expert, but look at this:

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

80 posted on 11/09/2010 6:08:09 PM PST by The Comedian (I really missed you. Next time, I'll adjust for windage.)
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