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Boehner to make debt-limit hike vote stand-alone (Throws down gauntlet on spending and borrowing)
Hotair ^ | 11/08/2010 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/08/2010 9:53:53 AM PST by WebFocus

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To: jagusafr
Only a socialist can look at a complex economic system and declare a part of it as "too big to fail". Any intelligent person who understands (and values) free markets understands that nobody and nothing is too nig to fail.

Unfortunately, the federal government hasn't supported free markets in decades. We've had a mixed economy since at least 1913, and it's biting us bigtime. It is indeed time to let the chips fall.

41 posted on 11/08/2010 10:43:15 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

That’s a typo in my post! I swear!!


42 posted on 11/08/2010 10:44:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ve always taught my daughters, “do the right thing at the right time in the right way for the right reason”. IMHO, we’re there.

Colonel, USAFR


43 posted on 11/08/2010 10:44:53 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Danae; All

“People should invest in their own retirement.”

Yes they should, but it also is valuable to have a minimum back up. Just think of all the people who have 401ks that have tanked with the stock market. Think of the people who invested in Enron, Countrywide Financial, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, WaMu, etc. They may have to sell their McMansions, but thanks to SS they will never starve.

Capitalism is good, but the Boards of Directos and Compensation Boards currently have much more power than us ordinary stockholders. Government shouldn’t be running business, but we do need to have some protections. Have you ever been somewhere where people are really hungry? I have, and it is not a pretty sight. I would not want to live in a country like that.


44 posted on 11/08/2010 10:45:08 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: tcrlaf

ok, so they shut Gov. down...and then what...seems to me Clinton did that.


45 posted on 11/08/2010 10:52:01 AM PST by caww
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To: WebFocus

Rand Paul has said decisively that Federal employment should be frozen and salaries reduced to comparable private sector wages.

Lou Dobbs was discussing this with Megyn Kelly and stated that Government employs 4.6 million.

Also, union participation in the private sector is about 16% and 34% in Government.

This needs to be corrected!!!!


46 posted on 11/08/2010 10:59:06 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: gleeaikin

I understand that it is human nature to want to have someone take care of us, and to make sure everything is going to be ok.

Well the truth of reality is such that NO ONE ever gets such guarantees.

If the folks had not invested in stocks (Which is a gamble like those found in Las Vegas to begin with) they would be sitting on mounds of cash in their bank accounts. They made choices, and no one forced them to make em.

Life isn’t FAIR, and you can’t legislate it. You cant govern FAIR into people’s lives. Its a 100% fallacy to even imply it.

Best anyone can do is cover their own retirement, help their friends and neighbors, and never expect a hand out from anyone or any government. If you take care of yourself, then you don’t NEED anyone to take care of you.

Those who create the businesses SHOULD have control over their businesses. Should they be required to follow laws HELL YA. Should they have to pay taxes, HELL YEA. But it has to be done with all of our freedom in mind. If something takes that freedom from us, it should be impossible to do.

That is what the founders intended, and we are going to have to be the generation which forces an out of control government back into it’s subservient (intended) role.

Thats going to hurt. For sure, but it beats the pain our kids will feel later, and beats the wholey heck out of the pain our grandchildren will face when the marxist/socialist/communist axe falls on their necks in the future if we do not halt and reverse this now.


47 posted on 11/08/2010 10:59:21 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: sodpoodle

One good way would be to eliminate all Federal employees currently drawing a government pension. Double dippers would be given the option of working for the government or drawing the existing pension. No double dipping


48 posted on 11/08/2010 11:06:34 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: sodpoodle

Government unions should be immediately outlawed. Federal hiring freeze + cuts - cut the size of the federal work force 10%.


49 posted on 11/08/2010 11:09:12 AM PST by karnage
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To: WebFocus

I have serious doubts whether Boehner is up to leading the new House majority.

However, if he were to make a policy of separating out single line-item bills, it would be a great thing.

Both Republicans and Dims have long used mammoth omnibus bills to hide the ugly with the good or neccessary. This gives cover for the congress critters to say, “I had to vote for all that pork because the bill included necessary appropriations for our soldiers in Iraq”, though those expenditures could have easily been separated into different bills.

Let’s see if this will be a one time shot or if we are on the verge of seeing a truly different way of running Congress.


50 posted on 11/08/2010 11:13:51 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We could save millions if zero were made to get rid of his czars. We have no way of knowing how many he has employed. They’re like cockroaches - everywhere. This maybe doesn’t amount to much, but, if spending is to be cut, this is a good place to start. Why hurt the American people again? Of course, there will be some pain, but, porkulus can go as well. Cut, the federal employee jobs. Let them get a taste of unemployment. Sure, they can collect benefits, but, let’s see how they like having to tighten their belts.

Heck for that matter, let’s cut the president’s pay. On second thought, let’s just cut him altogether.


51 posted on 11/08/2010 11:18:25 AM PST by Catsrus (Have)
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To: WebFocus

Now we find out the answer to the question of “What if they had a vote and nobody came?”


52 posted on 11/08/2010 11:37:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ClearCase_guy

How can you go into default when you step spending yourself into debt? Cut it off and let freedom ring!


53 posted on 11/08/2010 11:38:00 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: gleeaikin

The only thing you can’t cut to zero is defense. Let the states deal with all the rest! Defense however is the very reason you have a nation!


54 posted on 11/08/2010 11:44:43 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: WebFocus

If they don’t pass the extension they will have to find significant cuts to Defense, Medicare and Social Security.

Discretionary spending in FY 2010 was $1.39 trillion, or 38% of total spending. More than half ($844 billion) was security spending, which includes the Department of Defense, overseas contingency programs and Homeland Security.

Non-security spending was $553 billion. The largest departments were: Health and Human Services ($84 billion), Transportation ($76 billion), Education ($46.8 billion), Housing and Urban Development ($43.6 billion) and Agriculture ($25 billion).

With a 1.4T deficit, you could cut all of the non-defense discretionary budget and still run a deficit.


55 posted on 11/08/2010 2:57:28 PM PST by NC28203
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Note: this topic is from 11/08/2010.
Thanks WebFocus.
For the first time in years, House lawmakers will soon have the chance to vote on a standalone measure to increase the federal debt limit next year under the new Republican majority... House Republican leader, Rep. John A. Boehner of Ohio, will give lawmakers a chance for a direct vote on raising the debt limit... That would be a break with the recent tactic of burying the debt limit increase in parliamentary maneuvers...

56 posted on 07/21/2011 3:07:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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