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Why Angle Lost
Pajamas Media ^ | November 6, 2010 | John Ransom

Posted on 11/06/2010 4:54:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: USSR Didnt Fall

I agree.


161 posted on 11/06/2010 12:12:47 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Kaslin

Just more RINO b/s. Those who hate constitutional conservatism will always want to push the RINO on us.

Constitutional conservative = unelectable. RINO = electable.

Supporting the “electable” got us Ford, Dole, McCain. Supporting the crazy unelectable conservative got us Ronald Reagan! (Paraphrasing Ann Coulter)

Rebellion is brewing!!

We are at war against collectivism whether it be the democrat brand or the RINO brand!!

Just vote the corrupt bastards OUT, Democrat and RINO!!


162 posted on 11/06/2010 12:19:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: xzins

I do believe they have a system that you describe in our town, or something very similar. There is the voting machine, then there is a way to print the ballot in case they need a copy for recount purposes!

They used a punch-card system for years and years. However, our little town didn’t have a lot of problems with that. In the last few years, the town grew quite a lot. So, I guess they decided they needed something new; especially with the problems that have come along on the national level!


163 posted on 11/06/2010 12:21:22 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: dirtboy
Well organized vote fraud can create whatever percent difference it takes to win.

I'd guess the Hairy Reed forces had a good idea on the Governor's race and shot for that ~ and missed. For some reason they deleted entirely too many Angle votes ~ yeah, that goes on ~ votes are eliminated by whatever means necessary.

The whole Nevada race has the earmarks of exceedingly widespread cheating.

164 posted on 11/06/2010 12:22:15 PM PDT by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Kaslin

If John Ransom had a better candidate, then why the hell did he not get up off his ass and get him or her through the primary???

There will be a next time Mr Ransom. Hope you can do something other than sit at your keyboard and whine!!


165 posted on 11/06/2010 12:22:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

FU, IDIOT!! Get the hell off FR you abortionist POS backstabbing traitor!!

ZOT!!


166 posted on 11/06/2010 12:24:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: chiller

Reed would have been replaced with Chucky Schumer ~ hardly a more palatable type!


167 posted on 11/06/2010 12:25:44 PM PDT by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: dirtboy

Sheesh. You buying into this RINO whinefest?


168 posted on 11/06/2010 12:27:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: All

Why the hell didn’t we just recruit a Democrat to run against Harry? Who cares about Life, Liberty or the constitution!! Maybe we should just give up on supporting true conservatives???

B/S!! This is war!! War for our Liberty!!

Buck up, quit crying or get the hell OUT!!


169 posted on 11/06/2010 12:30:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think the onliest states wif those "primary run offs" are Souvrn' ~ it's a custom generally unknown in the Nawth.

It was developed back in the days when Southerners thought it useful to make sure that the Democrat candidate was a white man ~ women, blacks and Republicans were easily kept out of the primary/runoff system.

170 posted on 11/06/2010 12:33:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Jim Robinson; mad_as_he$$
Jim, you can have the best conservative message in the world, but if you don't run a good campaign, it is all for naught. That is the point here. You have to have a solid GOTV effort and need to control your message and don't let the other candidate define you. Check out post 99 - a Freeper who was on the ground for the Angle campaign weighed in. I saw the Dem ground game in Philly and how it almost cost Toomey the election because Toomey was up in the polls in the end and the ground game faltered because folks thought Toomey had it in the bag.

And if you read my other posts on this thread, I am calling for folks to get out and support conservatives and give them the boots on the ground to win in tough races.

We have to be better prepared if we want to win it all in 2012.

171 posted on 11/06/2010 12:40:34 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Look, pal. We don’t have a smooth talking Rubio or Reagan in every state. Life would be easy if we did. We got constitutional conservative Sharron Angle through the primaries based on her conservative message. There was no better conservative candidate available. Period!!

Now whine all you want but we just didn’t get enough Republican voters up to overcome Reid’s fraud machine.

We fight for conservatives/conservatism or bust here on FR!!

No more RINOS!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

There’s no crying in rebellion!!


172 posted on 11/06/2010 12:47:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Why the hell didn’t we just recruit a Democrat to run against Harry? Who cares about Life, Liberty or the constitution!! Maybe we should just give up on supporting true conservatives???

Uh, I do support true conservatives - and I actively supported one this campaign - to the point where I, as a volunteer, was recognized at campaign functions as a staff member.

Maybe you missed this post of mine on this thread:

The Dems were able to motivate against Toomey because of his conservatism - so right there is an object lesson - if we are going to push for conservative candidates in purple states, we must get out and volunteer to help in the GOTV efforts

Nowhere on this thread did I say we should nominate RINOs - to the contrary, I have asked conservatives that if they are going to push for conservative candidates, they need to get out and volunteer to help them out in GOTV efforts - and likewise the candidates themselves have to master the details of running an effective campaign.

173 posted on 11/06/2010 12:48:05 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
Look, pal. We don’t have a smooth talking Rubio or Reagan in every state. Life would be easy if we did. We got constitutional conservative Sharron Angle through the primaries based on her conservative message. There was no better conservative candidate available. Period!!

Where on this thread did I say the GOP should have nominated someone other than Angle? I didn't. But just because I agree with a candidate's viewpoints, it doesn't mean I won't note when they do not run a good campaign.

Now whine all you want but we just didn’t get enough Republican voters up to overcome Reid’s fraud machine.

It is a mistake to blame the loss on fraud when there clearly were operational problems with the Angle campaign. Just as the GOTV effort for Toomey coasted at the end when the Dems were going full speed, and it almost cost them - an Adcock staffer went to the SE PA GOP center Sunday and the place was almost empty - within the critical 72 hour window before the election.

If we want to win next time, we need to learn from mistakes, not pretend they didn't happen.

174 posted on 11/06/2010 12:52:52 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Maine Mariner
The Republican candidate should have won this race easily.

I believe that if the Republicans had run a potted plant instead of Angle they would've won by a wide margin.
175 posted on 11/06/2010 12:54:17 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: dirtboy

Well, maybe we should have transplanted Toomey to Nevada?

Sheesh. What part of no other conservative candidate stepped forward do you not understand?? Sharron Angle was our man and WE failed her!! WE are the ones who failed to support and get the vote out for, NOT her!!!!! Her constitutional conservative message was perfectly fine!!


176 posted on 11/06/2010 12:55:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: wolf78

And you’re a blooming idiot. Name the better conservative available and running in Nevada or STFU!!


177 posted on 11/06/2010 12:56:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Kaslin; All

Each state is unique and one is wasting their time to compare NV to IL or KY.

Sharron Angle lost because she was not going to be the CANDYMAN. Neither was she going to support the worthless earmarks on multi-million dollar projects.

In Nevada, Republican’s and Dim’s alike companies make tons of money from these federal taxpayer dollar pork barrel projects.

Reid is the candyman to all, party does not matter.

Just look at the monorail joke in Vegas that goes to about 4 casinos. Nevadans did not pay for this. YOU ALL paid for it, Reid managed to get millions of federal dollars for it. Well guess what, the monorail system is now bankrupt.

Now the next federally funded CASH COW headed for NV is the stupid train from Las Vegas to California. Was Sharron Angle going to support this abomination? Hell no...and the casinos and Sig Rogich (owns lots of land along the route) knew she would not cooperate ergo must be destroyed.

So no supporty federal porkbarrel spending, no winny the US Senate seaty....

Angle at the least needed 5 points plus to hold off the fraud machine, even then Sig would have managed to burn Angle by about 500 votes...They always find the votes...

Angle’s primary for congress in 2008 was also boosted, she lost by about 300 votes, to Dean Heller, who is now the Republican congressman(BTW - plays ball with Sig, Casinos and Reid). Heller has been a good vote for our side.

Heller, Heck and Ensign will vote for the pork. Bet on it.

Time to put a permanent end to EARMARKS once and for all.


178 posted on 11/06/2010 12:57:07 PM PDT by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: Jim Robinson
First of all, please show me on this thread (or anywhere else, ever) where I said someone else other than Angle should have gotten the GOP nomination. I did not. I wish you would quit implying such, as it is completely off-base.

And second, GOTV just doesn't happen organically. It takes management and organization and understanding of the process. Unfortunately, some campaigns don't assign it the appropriate priority and it suffers as a results.

Mistakes are expensive. We need to learn from them. In this case the mistake was not in message but in management.

179 posted on 11/06/2010 1:02:03 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, maybe we should have transplanted Toomey to Nevada?

I was making GOTV calls and knocking on doors for Toomey and Corbett in June. That is how early that effort started up. But Toomey coasted at the end and almost got ambushed by the Dem GOTV effort in the Philly area. Like I said, I heard from someone that the GOTV call center was almost deserted the Sunday before the election - folks thought Toomey had it in the bag and weren't showing up to call.

We cannot coast in 2012. If we want conservatives to succeed, we have to back them with more than money, they need our time as well.

I don't think we are in that much disagreement here.

180 posted on 11/06/2010 1:08:33 PM PDT by dirtboy
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