Posted on 10/30/2010 4:03:35 PM PDT by Rashputin
Stunning Michael Geer
The Vatican has called for Israel to end its occupation of "Arab lands," noting that all of what we define currently as Israel is "Arab land."
That the Bible must not be used to justify either their occupation' nor their injustices' against Palestinians.
"The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands," Monsignor Cyril Salim Bustros, Greek Melkite archbishop of Our Lady of the Annunciation in Boston, Massachusetts, and president of the "Commission for the Message," said at Saturday's Vatican press conference.
"We Christians cannot speak of the promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."
You've just been witness to a significant event in the End Times unfolding, amigo. The Vatican stating that Israel is "no longer a chosen people".
The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.
This is .... stunning.
It is an everlasting covenant with the faithful of Israel. Such faithfulness requires Christianity.
As God said would happen, all people and all nations are turning against Israel.
So yes, the beginning of the Zechariah prophecy is in the process of being fulfilled.
Thanks for posting!
Right and a priest does not outrank an archbishop. Jesuit Fr. Lombardi of the so-called "Vatican Press Office" is just another Vatican bureaucrat with a fifedom. A good source of information on these issues is usually John Allen. He is a liberal but usually professional reporter.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/acrimony-israel-clouds-close-middle-east-synod
http://ncronline.org/blogs/all-things-catholic/thinking-straight-about-israel-jews-and-archbishop
“Care to amend that claim?”
No. I’m getting ready to go to church, so here is a quick
copy and past that reflects my view of the point you raise.
[after the passage you quote...]
“In 23:5 Joshua indicated that there was more land that the Israelites needed to possess. In 24:128 he urged the people to commit themselves anew to the Mosaic Covenant so they might experience all that God had promised their forefathers. These passages confirm that Joshua did not mean by his statement of Gods faithfulness here that Israel had already possessed all that God had promised her forefathers.”
“The point Joshua was making in verse 45 was that God had been faithful to His promises up to that moment. He had promised possession of the land, rest on every side, and victory over enemies. Israel had experienced all of these to some degree. God had been faithful to the good promises He had made to them when they had prepared to cross the Jordan (1:19).
“It was common among the Semites to regard a part of the whole as the whole (cf. Deut. 26:510; 1 Kings 13:32; Jer. 31:5; 2 Sam. 5:610; Rev. 14:1; 22:1; Rom. 15:1924). The name for this viewpoint is representative universalism. Some students of this passage believe that Joshua was taking this view here. He was speaking in universal terms. He regarded the individual kings, towns, and areas that he had subdued as representative of the entire land of Canaan.
- Constable
You also did not include any discussion of the promise - “a possession forever”.
I do no think you can fulfill that until the end of time.
best,
ampu
PS - anytime someone feels compelled to include pejorative language, it weakens their credibility. Either your facts
are correct, or not. You don’t need the other stuff.
Do you mean the writings from Vatican II or the Pope? Those are the two sources Rosen mentioned. I'm sorry you didn't notice that since the Rabbi felt both were more authoritative than the archbishop in question. That was the point.
But a prophecy is not considered to have been fulfilled, biblically, until all components of a prophecy have been fulfilled.
Until that happens, we cannot say, biblically, that a prophecy is in the process of being fulfilled. Fulfillment can only be claimed after the fact.
“Read the article again, please. The Pope didnt say that.
I think that since the pope head us the vatican, they speak at his direction...
Do you think they speak for themselves, unaccountably?
As we saw with the Isaiah prophecies, prophecy sometimes takes years to come to it's complete fulfillment. But when God says something will happen, it will happen.
However, there is no doubt at all that the fact that all nations and all people are in the process of turning against Israel is the beginning of the fulfillment of the Zechariah prophecies.
and red shoes
yes, people need to actually read the whole bible, not little pieces of it. The false religion described in Revelation, looks like a lamb but it is not. And where does it rise up from? from land, not the sea, the only beast that does so.
It is all very interesting and you have posted a lot that tells us we are in the final days and hours.
We also have Ramadan Shallah, the exiled chief of the Islamic Jihad movement in Gaza, quoted at a rally Friday, saying, "Israel will not bring peace to the region, it will only bring war and destruction and therefore, the slogan of all should be that Israel must be wiped out of existence," in partial fulfillment of the Psalm 83 prophecy. And, as we know from that prophecy, the Palestinians will be part of the Arab coalition which will go to war against Israel. So we have that to watch for, by all appearances, soon.
Then, we have this, the beginning of the fulfillment of one part of Matthew 24:7: " An infectious-disease nightmare is unfolding: A new gene that can turn many types of bacteria into superbugs resistant to nearly all antibiotics has sickened people in three states and is popping up all over the world, health officials reported Monday.". (New drug-resistant superbugs found in 3 states)
There are no more signs pointing us to the Tribulation which need to be fulfilled. They are all in progress. And since the Rapture comes before the Tribulation, and we see all the signs beginning to happen for the Tribulation, we are not long for this earth. You know the saying, "if we see Christmas decorations out in October, we know Thanksgiving is right around the corner".
And we also know what Jesus said: But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.
“I read no statement from the Vatican. An Archbishop of the Greek Melkite Church does not speak for the Vatican.”
lol you can’t be serious. An Archbishop doesn’t speak for his religion? How do you get to be an Archbishop and not speak for your religion?
The promise was made to Abraham AND his descendents. Allow me to clarify this statement; it means
1. Abraham himself
2. All of Abraham's descendants
Now, most reasonable persons would agree that Abraham was dead long before Joshua ... so #1 above never happened. What are the implifications of this fact? This implies that either God lied to Abraham ... or God told the truth and this fulfillment has just not happened yet.
Since none of us would say God lied to Abraham, the fulfillment of #1 has to be someday in the future. How or when will that happen? It will happen during the millenium. God will raise Abraham and he will finally get to possess this land, along with his descendents. God will also fulfill the Davidic convenant, since now that He has a man who can sit on Davids throne. He will also fulfil the establishment of Daniels "kindgom which will not be destroyed" and which "will rule all other kingdoms." He will also fulfil the "new covenant" of Jeremiah that He made with the nation of Israel.
All of this is pretty straightforward if you read the text. But what irks me even more about your insistance is that you are willing to ignore one of the larger issues of this promise ... that God promised this land to Abraham and his descendants "forever." If that forever fulfillment began during the days of Joshua, Israel would still possess the land. In fact, the nation went into exile for 70 years during the Babylonian captivity. So that history alone says the start of "possess forever" has to happen sometime after that exile; not during the time of Joshua. Further, several other "forever" covenants have not been fulfilled as of yet. The Davidic covenant was also "forever," there is no throne in Jerusalem; the kingdom of Daniel is also "forever" ... there has been no kingdom since the time of the Babylonian exile. Etc. etc. etc.
All of these things will come together during the millenium ... of which even you (no matter how much you will despise it) will be a part.
and red shoes
lolol. Nothing gets by you. 8~)
The invocation of Vatican II was clearly erroneous since it contains nothing to refute the archbishop. The rabbi did not cite any particular writings of the Pope and so really provided nothing more authoritative than his own opinion.
AMEN! Dispensationalists have taken an important geopolitical reality (the valid statehood of Israel) and twisted it into bad theology which denies the blessed fact that there has always been only one plan of salvation and one people of God — all believing Jews and Gentiles now united in Christ.
How come so many of the funny guys are from Texas? 8~)
I am glad you mentioning these are “the beginning”. Too many get riled up and go off the deep end as things occur. We know that the Lord can and has in the past slowed down events and He could again do so...it is just we are seeing more, and appears faster, because the internet has made news and events get to us much, much faster. What use to take some time to get to us now can be done as they are happening. It’s important to understand this in light of events I think. But it is interesting to follow none-the-less.
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