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Most troops wouldn't oppose serving with gays, survey finds
Washington Post ^ | 10/28/2010 | Ed O' Keefe

Posted on 10/29/2010 10:19:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A majority of active-duty and reserve service members surveyed by the Defense Department would not object to serving and living alongside openly gay troops, according to multiple people familiar with the findings.

The survey's results are expected to be included in a Pentagon report, due to President Obama on Dec. 1, regarding how the military would end enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" law that bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving in uniform.

Some troops surveyed - but not a majority - objected strongly to the idea of serving with gays and said they would quit the military if the policy changed, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly share details of the survey.

Defense Department officials did not respond to requests for comment.

NBC News first reported Thursday evening on the survey's findings.

In July, the Pentagon sent a survey with dozens of questions to 400,000 active-duty and reserve troops. It asked whether they had ever shared a room or the showers with gay peers, and how they might act if a gay service member lived with a same-sex partner on base.

Military officials did not say how many troops completed the survey, but at least 103,000 had done so just days before it was due, according to the Pentagon. A similar survey was later sent to military spouses.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; liberaltarians; military; propaganda; trolls
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To: central_va
The two trolls on this thread are pros, they say that DADT is no big deal then they go on and on. Post after post of talking points.

I'd accuse you of being paid as well, but... well... That's so lame.

81 posted on 10/29/2010 12:14:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: paladin1_dcs
I've been a member here for over a decade. I've almost lost my life in several very bad accidents. In the last one I was crushed against a steel column by a forklift. I did not post here much since during much of that time I could not move.

I think the smell of democrat election fear has subliminaly triggered the mob rule instinct in some around here.

I learned a lot while using tubes to do what you take for granted. I find much of what you say on the subject to have a grain of truth in it, obscured by a ton of emotion.

Some of you disappoint me.

82 posted on 10/29/2010 12:15:42 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Take a look at my Post 60.

Pretty much says it all.

83 posted on 10/29/2010 12:17:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: eddie willers

If you want the priority to be your freedom of sexual preference, then why would you ever join the military? I might think my preference in the military would be to not get shot or killed, to protect my country, and to protect my fellow soldiers! Who said anyone gay joins the military exclusive of those things first?


84 posted on 10/29/2010 12:20:35 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog

>> I conclude that homophobia is directly proportionate the the degree of which your life is in danger.<<

I’m sure most of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were probably saying the same type of things.


85 posted on 10/29/2010 12:20:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: central_va

No - it really doesn’t say anything.

I gotta go.


86 posted on 10/29/2010 12:21:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
No - it really doesn’t say anything.I gotta go.

A worthless and cowardly answer.

87 posted on 10/29/2010 12:24:34 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: blackdog
If you want the priority to be your freedom of sexual preference, then why would you ever join the military?

Because there is a Gay Agenda at work. All vestiges of 'normal' American way of life has to be destroyed. The Boy scouts are a prime example.

Implying that gays should serve in the military would have got a person committed only 30 years ago. Society can fall apart that fast. It is unbelievable.

88 posted on 10/29/2010 12:29:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And how many sex perverts aka “gay” people work at the WaPo, pray tell?

They would surely not write a fake story, now would they.


89 posted on 10/29/2010 12:32:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog

You are, I am sorry to say, either incredibly ignorant about the “gay” agenda, or a libertarian. Or something.

AIDS - faggots - blood - military - wounds - soldiers bleeding on other people - emergency transfusions...

That alone is enough to ban them from the military. What to speak of the elevated numbers already of homosexual rape.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, a perversion and a grave character defect. Plus they are wildly promiscuous and their filthy sex practices spread incredible kinds of diseases and parasites.

They do NOT belong in the military whatsoever.


90 posted on 10/29/2010 12:36:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog

Riddle me this, if this is so popular with everyone in the military then why will it be taken into the lame duck session instead of right before the elections? If it the right thing to do and everyone in the service wants it, why won’t any politician risk the electoral consequence of their convictions and jam yet another piece of unpopular legislation down the throats of the American people?

I think we all know the answers.


91 posted on 10/29/2010 12:37:03 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: central_va
That angle of debate I can understand and agree with. That sure means that the "gay agenda" has a lot of awfully committed operatives not only at the organizing level, but also in the trenches. Most Americans are too lazy to get behind such an effort.

Now that I'm older and maybe wiser, I remember the counselors in summer camp who I now realize were gay. I remember coworkers, friends, and neighbors who were gay. None of them were making their lifestyle an agenda to promote to anyone. Those are the life experiences I have based my opinions on. Maybe today's gay hoard is different? That may very well be. But of those I identify with, I found and continue to find their association to be something worthy of friendship.

93 posted on 10/29/2010 12:47:36 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog

I doubt that there many who have any real problem serving with homosexuals in the context of doing the actual job of defending the country, or, as in your example, an aircraft carrier. I don’t have a problem being around homosexual folks, and I imagine I have been around many people that I did not even KNOW were homosexual. I happen to think the lifestyle is wrong, but that is not my call for them.\

However, there are situations in which those who are naturally attracted to another ought not be in close proximity. This is why, sadly, I was not allowed to shower with girls in high school gym class. Somehow they thought I might ogle them and have some interest in interacting with them in a physical way— even if it turned out that ther might be a (rare, perhaps) attractive lesbian among them. Similarly, being placed in close, naked, proximity with someone who might be inclined to [insert your favorite euphemism for gay sex here] with me is something that I find offensive. Out on the firing range, no problem, but I don’t want any “shots” taken at me in the shower stalls, thank you, and I don’t want to have to be constantly on guard that the guy next to me in the barracks wouldn’t mind snuggling up (not that I’d be all that great a catch for a gay guy, but if you only look at the back of my head, I don’t look so bad).

I don’t think I’m going out on a limb in saying that my views are pretty representative of most straight guys.


94 posted on 10/29/2010 12:52:14 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: blackdog
Now that I'm older and maybe wiser, I remember the counselors in summer camp who I now realize were gay. I remember coworkers, friends, and neighbors who were gay. None of them were making their lifestyle an agenda to promote to anyone. Those are the life experiences I have based my opinions on. Maybe today's gay hoard is different? That may very well be. But of those I identify with, I found and continue to find their association to be something worthy of friendship.

There is an agenda. Believe it. To pervert the US Military is the Holy Grail of the queerification of the USA.

95 posted on 10/29/2010 12:52:30 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Know et al
Let us hope with all our heart and effort, that impossible odds are never something that our country and it's men and women will have to ever face.

In the much larger context of dangers facing our military today, Obama as a stand alone issue is a much more dangerous situation than any gay lobby hanging on his coat tails.

Let's apply the 80/20 rule here.........That being that 80% of our nations problems have little or nothing to do sytemicaly with being gay.

96 posted on 10/29/2010 12:56:31 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog
Let's apply the 80/20 rule here.........That being that 80% of our nations problems have little or nothing to do sytemicaly with being gay.

You have an agenda.

97 posted on 10/29/2010 1:01:30 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: blackdog

. “But something tells me that when ammo needs to be run to supply the front line, God can’t get it done.”

You should stop listening to this “something”, it doesn’t know what it is talking about and it leads you astray. If God wants ammo somewhere it’s THERE...and on HIS terms.


98 posted on 10/29/2010 1:18:50 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: central_va
OK, I'll add it to my list of things to do.

Gay overthrow agenda.

It'll have to take low ranking though. I'm too busy putting kids thru college right now.

99 posted on 10/29/2010 1:18:56 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: central_va
No - it really doesn’t say anything.I gotta go.

A worthless and cowardly answer.

No - it meant I had to go. I don't have all day to sit around and muse with you about "the gay problem" the way I would if I were, as you say... a paid operative. ;~)

What you need is better reason and argument. Some on this thread have them. But yours needs help. "ooooh you have an agenda *scary*" really doesn't make an effective argument on the practicalities of the issue.

Get one, or lose. I'm not an "ooooh scary operative", but I am pretty libertarian on this issue. That means I don't really care all that much, but if pressed, I'll respond one way or the other to logic and reason, not emotions and bizarre ad hominem accusations.

Capiche?

100 posted on 10/29/2010 1:20:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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