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Backers gamble on rail line to Duluth
star tribune ^ | 10-4-10 | paul levy

Posted on 10/25/2010 7:27:55 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Is a proposed passenger train line from Minneapolis to Duluth on course for a $700 million derailment? Or is it merely headed toward a $300,000 detour that could delay plans a year?

Faced with competition from nine other routes seeking federal funding as well as a possible rerouting of the line's Twin Cities starting point -- to St. Paul, instead of Minneapolis -- proponents of the Northern Lights Express (NLX) have shifted gears.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: choochoo; duluth; gamble; porkulus; rail; train; waste; williegreen
The NLX line, projected just two years ago to cost $360 million, has doubled in price, according to latest estimates. While the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) has backed away from the near $1 billion price tag it predicted 10 months ago, the 155-mile high-speed line is expected to cost between $615 million and $700 million if completed by 2014, Ongaro said from Duluth.

Gambling is fun...when it's other people's money.

1 posted on 10/25/2010 7:27:58 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

You aren’t nearly as much fun as Boxcar Willy was. LOL

Now tell us that we’re all socialists for not wanting to fund this crap.


2 posted on 10/25/2010 7:36:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Who would ride a train from Minneapolis to Duluth? How would they get around once they got there?

Someone needs to tell politicians that trains do come in HO scale. I’m sure we could raise some money to build them a train layout in the capitol basement. It would cost a lot less than $700 million.


3 posted on 10/25/2010 7:36:56 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Waiting for a reply from Boxcar Willie in ...3...2...1...


4 posted on 10/25/2010 7:38:02 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: MediaMole

Oberstar is one of the biggest HO’s for this idea.


5 posted on 10/25/2010 7:42:50 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Hey, why not just build a high-speed rail line from Minneapolis to St. Paul?

I’d be willing to lead the project for a mere $700 million.

And my special proviso is that only the inhabitants of Minneapolis and St. Paul get taxed.


6 posted on 10/25/2010 7:43:18 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
They missed the Aug. 1 deadline for a $55 million federal grant application, opting instead to focus on completing a new environmental analysis. That study will cost at least $300,000, experts say.

And later in the article they claim it could go as high as $500,000 just for environmental studies. So you are half a million in the red, and you haven't laid one tie, bought one piece of rolling stock or built one station.

Later in the article we learn that the railroad's route is incompatible with commuter traffic, the one part of passenger rail that makes economic sense. The whole article proves that the goal of many of these rail projects isn't to provide transportation, but to create jobs for government parasites. If it was really about transportation it would be running low maintenance cost mid speed trains through areas with established high passenger density. Instead it is running maintenance intensive high speed trains from places where nobody lives to places nobody wants to go.
7 posted on 10/25/2010 7:46:00 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: mountn man
Waiting for a reply from Boxcar Willie in ...3...2...1...

Gonna be a long wait. He posted his opus a couple of weeks ago.
8 posted on 10/25/2010 7:47:46 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: cripplecreek

I would never advocate for this crap.

You remember this route as the one that was such a money loser Amtrak dumped it in 1985.

Now Anoka County and partners seek to resurrect it, apparently unaware that there’s now a freeway called I-35 that carries people up to Duluth quickly, efficiently, cheaply, and conveniently. Anoka County also is apparently unaware that once a train dumps you off in Duluth there is no easy way to get around.

But that doesn’t matter. It’s all about hiring lobbyists, wining and dining, and visiting Washington, DC to act like a big shot.


9 posted on 10/25/2010 7:49:01 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I grew up in Bloomington. In 1971 (4th grade) we had an overnight fieldtrip to Duluth. We took Amtrak from Minneapolis to Duluth. Except for our group of 4th graders, teachers and chapperones, I don’t recall any other passengers on the two-car train.

That Amtrak service no longer exists.

There is a reason that it no longer exists. There wasn’t any demand for it.


10 posted on 10/25/2010 7:49:08 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd
True story about Duluth. My sister worked for the famous Duluth guy who founded Gino's pizza and Michelina's frozen dinners back in high school. As I recall her account, Gino was a blue collar guy from an Italian blue collar family and strong Democrat, like most of the people in Duluth.

But when he talked to all the workers at his new plant in Fargo, North Dakota, he told them that something had happened to his home town.

Originally, he could depend on his crew there getting up early and working hard until quitting time. He'd built a great business, but he now couldn't find people like that any more in his hometown and so was moving production out. Fargo was the first stop in those expansion plans and he liked what he had saw. He told his employees to keep up the good work and not vote Democrat or Fargo would suffer the same fate as Duluth.

Long story short is that a railroad from Duluth to Minneapolis will only speed up the process of emptying out Duluth.

11 posted on 10/25/2010 8:04:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GonzoGOP

His in forum doesn’t show one. He was still chugging along with choo choo talk 10 days ago.


12 posted on 10/25/2010 8:05:42 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Jeno’s pizza (Jeno Pauluchi - sp?).

The great Jeno’s pizzaroll controversy of the early 80s. The residents of Duluth were of the mindset that the purpose of a corporation is to provide jobs. Jeno publicly stated that it was to make money. He moved a large factory out of Duluth.


13 posted on 10/25/2010 8:23:03 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Willie Green

ping


14 posted on 10/25/2010 8:34:23 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

...because there are just SOOOOOO MANY PEOPLE who can’t WAIT go get to Duluth! /sarc

(The only guy I know who ever went there was my uncle, and that’s only because the Coast Guard stationed him there)


15 posted on 10/25/2010 8:46:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kidd
Yep. Libtards still think the purpose of corporations are to provide jobs, until such time as the glorious government is capable of owning and running the corporations.

I still remember Jeno's occasional appearances on the local news back in the day. Every other sentence had a word that had to be bleeped out.

North Dakota actively courted Minnesota corporations to move in those days. Not anymore. Between the oil boom and all the kids who moved out in my day, the state is about as close to full employment as you can get. That's why they will be dumping two of the three jackasses which they send to Washington one week from tomorrow. The third guy, Comrade Conrad, gets to skate only because he isn't up until 2012.

16 posted on 10/25/2010 10:01:21 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: mountn man

17 posted on 10/27/2010 9:17:59 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Why don’t they really ask themselves why anyone in the twin cities who is going ‘up north’ (most likely to their cabins) would take the train? Most of the traffic going up that way probably takes place on weekends and I very much doubt someone going to their cabin is going to take the the train to Duluth, if that was the case how do they get from there to the cabin????? Inquiring minds want to know.


18 posted on 10/28/2010 2:26:31 PM PDT by tickles
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To: tickles

hard to take the sled,boat or dog on a train, too.


19 posted on 10/28/2010 2:45:00 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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