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No 'Christian' roommate for churchgoer- Complaint filed with Fair Housing Center
WOOD TV ^ | 10/21/10

Posted on 10/21/2010 6:33:45 PM PDT by earlJam

No 'Christian' roommate for churchgoer Complaint filed with Fair Housing Center

Updated: Thursday, 21 Oct 2010, 5:51 PM EDT Published : Thursday, 21 Oct 2010, 5:51 PM EDT

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) - The Fair Housing Center of West Michigan filed a housing discrimination charge against a Grand Rapids woman who advertised for a Christian roommate on her church bulletin board.

The 31-year-old woman's attorney, who works for the Alliance Defense Fund , said this is a blatant violation of her First Amendment right to freely associate.

But Nancy Haynes of the Fair Housing Center told 24 Hour News 8 the woman has every right to seek and live with a Christian roommate -- but advertising for it publicly, even on a church bulletin board, violates federal law.

"She can be a Christian and she can even use that as a criteria for who she wants to rent to. She just can't state that. Because to state that is a violation of the Fair Housing Act," she said. "There are certain exceptions that apply. She can actually, in practice, not rent to a non-Christian. But she can't make the statement. The statement alone is a violation of the act. What she can do in practice she can't make a statement about."

Haynes said the Fair Housing Center began investigating after someone in the congregation, who was offended, filed a complaint.

The center then filed a complaint with the Michigan Department of Civil Rights , and the action is administrative, not criminal. The center asks for a response to try and negotiate a settlement. If they can't, it's possible that the Michigan Department of Civil Rights would determine if a violation happened and perhaps recommend a hearing.

The Alliance Defense Fund sent a letter seeking dismissal of this complaint to the Michigan Department of Civil Rights, but there has not yet been a response.

"I found (the woman and her attorney's) response very offensive. We're not punishing her for being Christian at all. If you're in the business of renting, it's a business transaction that's held to a standard under federal, state and local law."

The state wants the woman to get training in federal law, and reimburse the Fair Housing Center $300 for the time it took them to investigate.


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To: earlJam

The Fair Housing Act needs to be repealed. It is a very stupid law.


41 posted on 10/21/2010 7:13:24 PM PDT by HwyChile
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Thanks earlJam.
The Fair Housing Center of West Michigan filed a housing discrimination charge against a Grand Rapids woman who advertised for a Christian roommate on her church bulletin board. The 31-year-old woman's attorney, who works for the Alliance Defense Fund , said this is a blatant violation of her First Amendment right to freely associate.

42 posted on 10/21/2010 7:14:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: earlJam

FHA is just one more unConstitutional law. And I’d like to find a roomate for any judge who imagines otherwise.


43 posted on 10/21/2010 7:17:43 PM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yup look what I found. Hundreds of requests for Muslim roommates!
http://www.muslimtradingpost.com/index.php?watan=ALL&cat=35


44 posted on 10/21/2010 7:20:15 PM PDT by MNDude (Ask the Native American's how their "Open Borders" policy worked out for them.)
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To: earlJam

To explain, for years the federal government has had the strictest standards imaginable for housing *advertisements*. There is a huge list of words that are prohibited for use in such advertisements.

Advertisements *must* be open to everyone. Official exclusions you can print are remarkably few. And they police such advertisements ferociously, everywhere they appear. Even putting advertisements where they will likely not be seen by everyone can get you in trouble.

But even they agree that if someone who rents or sells a home or apartment is “discreet”, they can get away with not renting or selling to someone they don’t want to. They just need a plausible excuse that’s not on the list.

Some prohibited words and phrases include: “integrated neighborhood”, “exclusive”, “married couples only”, “not handicapped accessible”, any mention of race, religion, some limitations to gender, national origin, or membership in private organizations that can legally discriminate or proximity to such an organization like a country club.

Interestingly, you can now include things like “Give your family a Christmas present”.

You have to be very careful in stating that a property has been rented or sold, when it hasn’t, as proof could be demanded immediately.

“Blockbusting” and “steering” by real estate agents is forbidden. The former is trying to stimulate a sale by implying that undesirable persons are moving into the neighborhood, and the latter is to encourage people to move into a neighborhood “with their own kind.”

There are a bunch of exclusions to these rules, but you need to do some serious study to learn what you can and cannot do when renting or selling, and advertising such.


45 posted on 10/21/2010 7:22:18 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: MNDude

Great catch!


46 posted on 10/21/2010 7:25:12 PM PDT by syriacus (Bubbles against religious expression are OK around abortion clinics, but not OK around Ground Zero.)
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To: tuckrdout

I know that the libs like to throw around the term, but doesn’t this smack of Gestapo tactics? Prowling churches for “violations?”


47 posted on 10/21/2010 7:26:04 PM PDT by CASchack
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To: Spirochete
So, does the gov go around checking church bulletin boards now?

No...some busybody got their knickers in a twist and bitched about it, more than likely.

48 posted on 10/21/2010 7:26:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Give me your secrets, Bring me a sign, Give me a reason to walk the fire.")
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To: earlJam

I think it is screamingly funny.
You can do it, you just can’t say it.
Monty Python couldn’t write a more absurd skit.


49 posted on 10/21/2010 7:26:47 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: earlJam

FAIR HOUSING ADVERTISING WORD AND PHRASE LIST
Revised 05/01/09
http://www.mvfairhousing.com/pdfs/ad-word-list.pdf

not acceptable

adult living
adult park
adults only
English only
golden-agers only
mature complex
mature couple
Newlyweds
# of children
Parish
play area, no

caution

Exclusive
Executive
Mormon Temple
Muslim
# of persons
# of sleeping areas
perfect for . . . (should not describe people)
pets, no
Prestigious


50 posted on 10/21/2010 7:27:41 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: JMS
1. Someone was offended because liberals and socialists have invaded churches and are clearly affecting a shift in Christianity toward Christian Socialism.

She was within her rights to post within a church and specify her preference. I bet the 'government' wouldn't get involved if a homosexual advertised for a roomie in a bath house- and specifically stated no Christians.

51 posted on 10/21/2010 7:30:07 PM PDT by rintense
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To: earlJam

The Fair Housing Center is going to get slapped down here if they don’t roll over first. It’s great there are groups like the ADF out there who will take on this type work pro bono. If not this woman would probably be out of luck. My guess is the Fair Housing Center backs down on this before it goes to trial.


52 posted on 10/21/2010 7:35:26 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: MNDude

Well, they need to be reported! Like that would happen.


53 posted on 10/21/2010 7:37:56 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: earlJam
Haynes said the Fair Housing Center began investigating after someone in the congregation, who was offended, filed a complaint.

Someone in that congregation has a big problem.

54 posted on 10/21/2010 7:38:05 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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55 posted on 10/21/2010 7:39:40 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: donna

How silly. I wonder if it would be illegal to advertise for a female or male roommate?

This country is going to shit.


56 posted on 10/21/2010 7:41:43 PM PDT by Roux (Ignorance can be cured but stupid is forever.)
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To: donna
The state wants the woman to get training in federal law, and reimburse the Fair Housing Center $300 for the time it took them to investigate.

What an easy way to make $300.

If agency didn't like the ad, all they would have had to do is to send out a post card stating that she could not use those words.

57 posted on 10/21/2010 7:45:44 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam
This looks like a news story from long ago. And by the early 1990s, one could not list "heterosexual" in many places, either. Yes, a Christian family who wanted to rent out a spare bedroom could be forced to rent to a homosexual couple, I believe, though IANAL.

Plus, your tax money is being handed out in the form of grants to encourage the "Fair Housing" regulations.

58 posted on 10/21/2010 7:55:59 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Sounds like Barry Linn


59 posted on 10/21/2010 8:00:25 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Yet_Again
Yes...and in looking into it, I came across some rather odd things...such as these Christian/Muslim roommates at the (Christian) Calvin College.

And then there's http://www.muslimroommates.org/grand-rapids, which yields "Everything to do with Medieval Crusades items" as the top ad on the page.

And check out this place.

60 posted on 10/21/2010 8:08:57 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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