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Virginia 4th-grade textbook criticized over claims on black Confederate soldiers
The Washington Post ^ | 20 Oct 2010 | Kevin Sieff

Posted on 10/20/2010 8:19:20 AM PDT by Palter

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With relatives who fought on each side of CW I, I can say with conviction that the war was over economic control of the future of the United States and its future.

Every other issue was a smokescreen.

Period.


41 posted on 10/20/2010 8:56:25 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Notice the Union officer on the left.

I'm not an expert on uniforms, so I cannot be 100% sure, but those soldiers look like they are wearing CSA uniforms. The officer is wearign something darker, obviously. It might even be blue. But you have to remember that the entire federal army wore blue in 1860 (before the war). In the early battles, there were quite a few men in blue fighting for the South. It was confusing.

I believe that photo represents a Southern unit, and I believe the officer is CSA -- but I'm not an expert.

42 posted on 10/20/2010 8:57:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Palter; All

Many Slaves did serve the Confederacy. They considered themselves Southerners. It was their homes and families being effected by the war. They often referred to the civil war as the ‘war of Northern aggression’. Their own words are found here:

Testimonies of Freed Slaves, A 1937 WPA project. Records prepared by the Federal Writers’ Project 1936-1938 assembled by Library of Congress Work Projects, Admin. Dist. Of Columbia

http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/w#a3906


43 posted on 10/20/2010 8:59:37 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: ontap
Don’t be so sure of that...some confederate officers uniforms were of a charcoal gray.

Yes, but confederate army officers did not wear their rank on shoulder patches. Rank insignia was worn on the collar and the cuffs. That is clearly a Union Army officer's uniform.

44 posted on 10/20/2010 9:02:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: jdege

Maybe I should have spent more than five seconds, oh well.


45 posted on 10/20/2010 9:02:43 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: dblshot

Excellent post.


46 posted on 10/20/2010 9:02:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

and how do we know for sure your photo is not an internet photo shop fake?


47 posted on 10/20/2010 9:04:17 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: ontap

Thanks for the added information.


48 posted on 10/20/2010 9:06:23 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: Non-Sequitur
For the sake of argument, I would be willing to concede that the photo you posted represents a Northern unit.

But, do you admit that some blacks fought for the South? That's the real issue. The photo in question is simply a distraction.

49 posted on 10/20/2010 9:06:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not an expert on uniforms, so I cannot be 100% sure, but those soldiers look like they are wearing CSA uniforms.

They are Union Army uniforms. That is evident by the hats and the overcoats and the presence of brass U.S. badge on the diagonal strap that is centered on the chest and which is visible on several of them. The officer is dressed in the standard U.S. uniform with his rank worn on the shoulder. Confederate officers wore their rank on their collars and their cuffs.

I believe that photo represents a Southern unit, and I believe the officer is CSA -- but I'm not an expert.

Sorry, but you're incorrect.

50 posted on 10/20/2010 9:09:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: LS

The sole purpose of the dispute is to keep the demand for reparations alive.


51 posted on 10/20/2010 9:10:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: mrmeyer

>>Could you provide a source?<<

I’m sorry. I heard him say it when he was subbing for Rush.


52 posted on 10/20/2010 9:10:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happy 13th birthday to my Net. Tween no more!)
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To: Palter
and who in the State Department of Education reviewed and approved of this?? It's not just he author.
53 posted on 10/20/2010 9:13:49 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But, do you admit that some blacks fought for the South? That's the real issue. The photo in question is simply a distraction.

Some did, but in nowhere near the numbers that have been bandied about on this thread. The overwhelming majority served unofficially in supporting roles as teamsters, cooks, servants, laborers, and the like, and there is no doubt that by doing so they freed up a lot of white men to do the actual fighting. A very small percentage may have served in the ranks. But the idea that tens of thousands of blacks served side-by-side with their white counterparts as combat soldiers is not supported by any evidence I've seen.

54 posted on 10/20/2010 9:14:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: kalee

>>Even though he had documentation showing his ancestors were free blacks in New Orleans who owned slaves and who fought in the Confederacy, they refused to allow him to tell his story. It did not fit their PC presentation.<<

WOW!


55 posted on 10/20/2010 9:14:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happy 13th birthday to my Net. Tween no more!)
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To: Michael.SF.

Because I’ve seen in in books going back decades. Besides, why would a rebel Louisiana regiment be wearing Union winter uniforms? Especially in light of it’s brief existence?


56 posted on 10/20/2010 9:17:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: kalee

Earl Ijames from the NC Museum of History is researching this topic.
We heard him speak and I think his presents a solid case.
His research has not been well received among academics and he has refused to debate the topic. I asked him about that and he told me he did not want to put all his research out there as he possibly would write a book.


57 posted on 10/20/2010 9:19:02 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Michael.SF.

This is a no brainer. There were Blacks in the CSA or there were not. Photographic evidence, records seem to confirm blacks served in the Armies of the south. Was slavery evil—yes, but this is about the army of the south. History can’t be changed just because it looks better with a few adjustments. Some Jews fought for Hitler too. Indians fought for the south as did Irish. We should be beyond this by now.


58 posted on 10/20/2010 9:22:19 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Michael.SF.

Well,who are you gonna believe? An edjumacated perfesser or your lyin’ eyes? Obviously, that picture had to be photoshopped. :=)


59 posted on 10/20/2010 9:22:53 AM PDT by Bob
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To: combat_boots

I had relatives in both NJ infantry and VA cavalry units, and I agree. I view CW I as a conflict between anti-federalism and federalism.


60 posted on 10/20/2010 9:23:58 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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