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Has Homosexuality Always Been Incompatible With Military Service?
1 posted on 10/15/2010 11:18:28 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Well I suppose the military will have to increase the budget for drapes and strange european food. And I guess the commisary will need some europop for the dance floor.


2 posted on 10/15/2010 11:20:36 AM PDT by utherdoul
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“The most common type of homosexual assault is one in which the offender fondles or performs oral sex upon a sleeping victim. Assaults upon victims who are intoxicated are also common.”

There should be NO SURPISE about THIS.

Gay males are promiscuous. Someone sleeping is a sitting duck. WHY do you think soldiers were asking for RELIGIOUS OBJECTION to be housed with them? They do not want to be RAPED, HARRASSED or ATTACKED by these PERVERTS. All these perverts should be thrown out. ALL OF THEM.

I don't care how “honorably” they “serve”. Their negative behavior and how their perversion affects morale far outweighs any benefit of having a living breathing pervert there.

3 posted on 10/15/2010 11:22:35 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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“Lack of Privacy Leads to Sexual Assaults”

This is the real problem. Supporters of gays in the military have never shared their bedroom or shower with 55 other men. I have, and even with straight guys who practice good hygiene it’s tense.


4 posted on 10/15/2010 11:25:29 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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Nazi roots: They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals. The Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society. The CS fashioned itself as a modern incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of the CS were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy sex). Brand said in Der Eigene that he wanted men who “thirst for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after centuries of Christian barbarism.”


8 posted on 10/15/2010 11:29:52 AM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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10 posted on 10/15/2010 11:36:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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If this ruling by yet another black-robed tyrant stands, we will have crossed a line which will lead to disaster for our nation. Whether that disaster comes from inside or outside our nation remains to be seen. But I've said for a long time that letting homos serve with impunity would be a trigger event, and I still believe that.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

12 posted on 10/15/2010 11:41:45 AM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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Our startling finding was that over eight percent (8.2%) of all military sexual assault cases were homosexual in nature.

Yeah, 8.2% that were REPORTED.

How many victims do you think decided to just keep quiet rather than admit they'd been raped by a queer?

If we'd just spend half the resources and energy to curing homosexuality that we do trying to convince people it's normal, we wouldn't have this problem at all.

13 posted on 10/15/2010 11:41:55 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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Quite the eye opener. Thanks for the post


15 posted on 10/15/2010 11:44:06 AM PDT by fml
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Will unless you model your military on the Spartans or the Sacred Band of Thebes, yes.

Maybe the answer is to form all Homosexual units.


18 posted on 10/15/2010 11:45:46 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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I am in the process of asking the U.S. Naval Institute a third time for any sort of response concerning why they will not publish letters of substance regarding “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. So far arguments have been limited to a false dichotomy about social experimentation supported by emotional expositions. If not mine below, then this professional journal should allow other substantive arguments from people with superior wordsmithing skills, which require people of intellectual courage to engage in meaningful discussions.

Mr. Goldich’s and Mr. Webb’s discussion of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” appears attenuated. Repeal means institutionalizing threats to the religious liberty of Chaplains and other service members. Homosexuality must also estrange itself from medicine and science in order to fabricate a social justice issue for the debate. Finally, arguments maintaining that open homosexuality will not hurt morale declaim the character of military operations as affirmed in the current law.

Jewish, Christian, and Muslim believers find their Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion threatened by the repeal. For many followers of desert religions, who send their pastors into the chaplaincy and their believers into military service, homosexual behavior is unacceptable. Instead it resides among the myriad sins entrapping humanity that lives in a fallen world with a fallen nature.

For them foundational scholarship concludes homosexual relationships separate believers from God. The Old Testament, holy to “People of the Book”, speaks of the character, identity, and purpose of God in a manner, which continuously addresses homosexuality. God is spoken of as masculine, and all humans become feminine in relation to Him. In addition to creating all things, God created the single institution of heterosexual marriage as the earthy manifestation of the relationship of absolute unity and love He seeks with each person. Classical Semitic theology emphasizes searching for and identifying with God in the spiritual dimension. Therefore, worthwhile actions and thoughts are those which reinforce the faith commitment to a spiritual relationship. Spiritual life for tens of millions of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim believers means any subsequent reasoning from scriptures must proceed from that basic understanding in order to be a valid derivation. Therefore after repeal, when believers reject homosexuality in counseling rolls and normal life activities, these people reside outside Constitutional boundaries guaranteeing religious freedom to become guilty by popular acclamation of at least cultural prejudice.

The transformation of homosexuality into a cultural prejudice phenomenon finds foundational medical and scientific credibility in the 1973 decision by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). Removal followed a two year campaign Newsweek described as ongoing disruptive, chaotic attacks on psychiatrists and physiologists. Yet throughout these disruptive attacks, no academic papers were presented at conferences refuting any research previously done. Eventually onslaughts forced sufficient abstentions and apprehensive responses for a third of APA’s 17,000 plus membership to approve removal.

After this decision a new task force was established to ensure perpetual sanctity for the APA action. No research papers would again arise to confirm initial therapy success rates of 30% to 60 %, substantiating that 7 of 10 homosexuals could eventually walk away from the lifestyle forever. This task force would set peer review standards mandating pre-ordained theses, acceptable flexibility in research design definitions, and acceptable human data points. Psychology and Psychiatry chose to relinquish scientific rigor for popular societal and political acclaim. Therefore, Mr. Webb safely references reports that unit cohesion and combat effectiveness would be unaffected, and concludes homosexuality is equivalent to race.

Mr. Webb questions “why should off-base consensual sex during off-duty hours be of any concern to commanders?” Yet the current law recognizes maintaining high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion requires extraordinary restrictions for environments characterized by sacrificial, primitive and intimate relations. Military operations to protect this country are not conducted in garrison, and offer no opportunities for off duty or private time. Operating military personnel, locked in small task oriented units, forward deploy, and repeatedly face incredible stress if not actual combat. These environments are inherently chaotic and brittle, and can only be overcome by totalitarian leadership unimaginable in pacific situations. At this point Psychology and Psychiatry should make a meaningful contribution. However, their 1973 decision enables base antidotal politics to dominate, and allows critical issues to be trivialized into an amendment to defense authorization.

This debate should not veer into secular humanist social justice. The primary issues to consider should be Constitutional religious freedom, and whether any mental disorders can be tolerated within the exceptional human structures needed to defeat enemies unconcerned with social engineering.


25 posted on 10/15/2010 11:53:50 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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Homosexuals always want us to believe we can’t get along without them. Real life doesn’t work that way, especially in the military where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people ready to step in and do any job a Homosexual might be doing.


27 posted on 10/15/2010 12:01:57 PM PDT by pallis
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Damn, I’m glad I’ve long retired from there. What a different world it is now...


28 posted on 10/15/2010 12:04:25 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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“If homosexuals become a protected class within the military, victims will be afraid to report incidents of homosexual assault and commanders will be afraid to punish them, lest they be accused of “discrimination” or “homophobia.””

This brings to mind something I read a number of years ago about the increase in suicides brought upon young men whom were Homosexually assaulted. Men take their masculinity seriously, and blame themselves even of forced sexual encounters. They believe they could have done something to stop the assault, and consider themselves as failures for not stopping even the most aggressive.

I never read about that in current discussions of this matter, or perhaps I’ve missed it.

The potential for increased suicide exists if Homosexuality is permitted in our military, as well the military would be forced to conscript as the all Volunteer system would break down.


29 posted on 10/15/2010 12:05:11 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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And all of those assaults happened during a time when service men and women have to keep their same sex attraction secret.


32 posted on 10/15/2010 1:14:10 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (If I weren't afraid of the feds, I would refer to Obama as our "undocumented POTUS")
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Oh my goodness, I just read that PDF, and I am sickened and outraged.

On top of the assaults, some of these attackers were honorably discharged. Honorably. Good Lord help us.

Very soon reporting crimes such as these will be deemed homophobia and hate crimes. We will soon complete our descent into Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jesus, come quickly!


34 posted on 10/15/2010 1:18:50 PM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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Keep the homos OUT!


36 posted on 10/15/2010 1:24:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Just vote them OUT!!)
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Speaking as a member of the military, it’s well known that a lot of man-on-man “sexual assaults” in the military are consensual sex. They got caught, or somehow people found out, and one of them will cry rape to avoid UCMJ and/or chapter.

That doesn’t change the whole rest of the argument on the issue, but numbers of homosexual assaults in the military are vastly overinflated because of DADT.


38 posted on 10/15/2010 3:05:20 PM PDT by Domalais
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Notice all of the listed sexual assaults of fellow military involved the gay assaulter being of higher rank than the assaulted. This is a big deal in the military, as somebody of higher rank has MUCH more power than a comparable situation in a regular work environment.

In a combat environment, do not be surprised if gay officers and NCOs who sexually harass others get fragged.

40 posted on 10/16/2010 12:46:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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Excellent article and information. Anyone pushing the homosexual agenda, especially wanting homosexuals in the military - and there are number of them on FR - need to have their heads grabbed and their faces rubbed in these facts.

42 posted on 10/16/2010 1:28:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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FYI - you might want to see this, more ammunition against “gays” in the military.


43 posted on 10/16/2010 1:33:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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