Brother, sister dead in murder-suicide at Fort Lauderdale's Beach Place

South Florida Sun-Sentinel ^ | October 13, 2010 | Sofia Santana and Michael Turnbell

[ConservativeStatement]

A family dispute at Beach Place on Wednesday afternoon ended with a man fatally shooting his sister and then turning the gun on himself as they stood next to their mother, police said.

Juan Alicea Orozco, 23, of Fort Lauderdale, died shortly afterward at Broward General Medical Center. His sister, Jesnishia Alicea Orozco, 25, of Oakland Park, died that evening at the same hospital. Their mother was not injured, police said.

[colorcountry]

I am not obligated to answer your questions that lead down a rabbit trail.

Now go off on another tangent.

It isn't me who is posting several paragraph responses that have nothing to do with the issues at hand.

Your questions simply do not warrant a response.

Have a nice day.

[Spike Knotts]

So if you accuse someone of “sounding racist,” then they challenge you to quote what exactly sounded racist...and you refuse, it is because it didn’t deserve a response...not because you can’t prove it?

That is some curious logic. Lets examine it.

Cop: We know you killed the guy. We have video evidence.
Suspect: No I didn’t. Show me the videotape.
Cop: No, that doesn’t warrant a response.

Why haven’t you quoted my words from my #12 that “sounded racist” to you? Is it because its much easier to accuse someone of being a racist than it is to answer difficult questions?

Should I list all of the other questions you declined? There are at least a half dozen by now. None of them were worth a response...yet you still responded.

I guess that means you’re interested in arguing, not debating. Seeing you flee the field is worth all the finger pain caused by destroying everything you said. I answered all your questions...you avoided all of mine. Knotts holds the field.

Have a nice day.

[colorcountry]

Why are you trying to make this so complicated.

There was a charge initially on this thread that “those” people need to leave or die.

Stormer responded by saying in effect that some of “those” people where on this land WAY before the English (Smith and Jones). I jumped in to say that in my (kids) experience they have wonderful ancestors who were both Spaniards and English.

You jumped in with some “history” lessons about the original 13 colonies. - - Yeah, we get it, the colonies consisted of mostly English colonies if you don’t count the Dutch colonies.

I have chosen not to respond to your side posts. Your issues are not mine. To me, you appear to be racist. You’ve done nothing to dispel my notion.

[lonevoice]

Throwing out a bunch of non sequiturs (that maybe in some alternate universe are intended to be insults of some kind, though they're so weird I could be wrong about that) doesn't quite distract us from your original comment: "2 less." The question that I and others have asked you to clarify still stands: "2 less what?"

[Mila]

Their poor mother, may God give her the strength to cope.

[Paradox]

Now, to further educate you about the difference between Hispanics and Illegals.... Down in South Florida, there are a TON of legal, fully American, Hispanic, most of them of Cuban descent. Red blooded, Conservative, willing to fight to the death for this country, because they know the horrors of Communism. I don't know the nationality of these two people, but it is likely that they were legal Americans, one of them a monster, the other a victim. Good riddance to the former, a tragedy about the latter.

Idiotic sentiments like yours could prevent a good man like Marco Rubio from winning his election.

[aruanan]

“Learn to read English. “in what became the United States” doesn’t mean exclusively “the original 13 colonies.”

Yes, it does. If you had bothered to read, you know, English, you’d have saw [sic] that I already dealt with your point.

This is a perfect example of someone (you) substituting his own meaning for some words used by another and then claiming that the other person meant the same thing and, therefore, was incorrect, even though it was completely obvious to everyone else reading it that that other person could not possibly have meant that.

Language and logic don't work this way regardless of what you think "you'd have saw" otherwise.

[Fawn]

That's a fill in the blank....so many options. Apparently, you have no imagination.....perhaps this site might be more to your understanding...

[lonevoice]

Okay, you’ve made it abundantly clear that you’d rather be passive aggressive and insulting than to answer a simple question politely asking you to clarify your own published comment.

In that case, you do leave one no choice but to imagine what you meant. So, unfair as it may be, one choice might be to rely on your FR homepage and think that you would be horrified if someone walked into a mall in Florida, pulled out a gun, and point blank shot two cats. But, since these were two human beings shot dead in front of their mother, for some reason that makes it something for you to be facetious about. It may or may not have anything to do with them being Hispanic. I’ll leave that for others to come to their own conclusions about, as I now have, based on your own evasion and demeanor on this thread.

[lonevoice]

Terrific post. Kudos.

[Frantzie]

Enough to know Cuban-American names - ie in elementary school my best friend was Cuban-American. He moved away when we were youngsters.

Unless you are Cuban-American then I am sure I have known and worked with more Cuban-Americans than you have.

Those people who died in Laudedale were not Cuban-American.

As far as a Rubio - he is light years better than the other evil idiots but he is probably Mel Martinez 2 on the border. No real prize. He was against AZ’s law.

[Fawn]

Wow....you're narrow minded, shallow...not to mention a racist...who likes to assume the worse and puts words in other peoples mouthes. Just out of curiosity, Mr High Horse.....are these people Democrats or Republicans. I'm sure you know...you know everything....

[lonevoice]

I’ve already wasted too much time on you given that you’re unable to participate in a simple dialogue or explain your own comments. You have successfully demonstrated with each subsequent post how comfortable you are with being offensive and hostile. As for your latest passive agressive b.s., it sounds like you need to look in a mirror. You appear to lack awareness of how loudly your posts speak of you. Have a nice day.

[Fawn]

You’ve proven yourself and now you run. Typical. People like you who take the time and effort to try to find things you don’t like in yourself—in others, so you can criticize them just to make yourself feel like you’re better—on a higher level than others...to pretend you are a better person ...really are little people with no life and many insecurities. Rush Limbaugh talks about your kind all the time. Have a nice day.

[Smokin' Joe]

Do you think every person with a Hispanic name is an illegal alien?

Yep or a descendent of one.

My wife, who is Chippewa Indian points out that had her ancestors and other indigenous residents been more effective in enforcing their borders against invasion, there would be neither Smith, Jones, Garcia nor Rodriquez in the mix.

[Paradox]

Do you have a source for your original comment, that they were illegals?

[cachipola]

They are Puerto Rican, no Illegals.

[cachipola]

Puerto Rican, 100% sure because they are my step-daughter and step-son. And my wife is the stronger woman on the world. So please don’t write things if you are unsure of what are you doing so.