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Lawmaker: Severed head of investigator in Hartley case delivered to Mexican military
The Monitor ^

Posted on 10/12/2010 1:28:50 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K

The severed head of a Mexican investigator involved in the Falcon Reservoir case was delivered to the Mexican army today, according to state Rep. Aaron Peña, D-Edinburg.

Peña reported via Twitter that he had confirmed the information with Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez, whose office is heading the U.S. investigation into the Sept. 30 disappearance of David Michael Hartley.

The 30-year-old McAllen man is widely believed dead after what his wife, Tiffany Young-Hartley, has described as an attack by cartel "pirates" on the Mexican side of the binational waterway.

(Excerpt) Read more at themonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; bushlegacy; falconlake; hartley; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; karlrove; mexico; mexicostylejustice; wod
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To: bcsco

Yea Hinky, no body, only one witness. She can’t describe any of the people who shot at her or shot her husband, yes that’s hinky. It’s hinky enough to at least keep her in question to a certain extent.

Sorry until she is proven not to have done it she is as big of a suspect as anyone else, that’s how the legal system works.

it’s not hinky in the least.


41 posted on 10/12/2010 2:23:19 PM PDT by blarney
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To: blarney

You’re on jet skiis with you husband. Somebody starts shooting at you, hitting him. You try to recover him but they’re still shooting at you so you leave. What’s “hinky” about that?

Do you really believe she’d have the presence of mind under the circumstances to think clearly enough to give good descriptions of the assailants, being that the were likely some distance away and the situation was likely chaotic? Is that “hinky”?

There is one witness who states he saw her trying to elude them. Is that “hinky”?

I’m not talking about the normal investigative mode of everyone being suspect at first. I’m talking about something definite that points toward her. If you know what it is, state it outright. Don’t give me this “hinky” crap. Facts, or nothing. And if you’ve got nothing, then “hinky” doesn’t do it.


42 posted on 10/12/2010 2:33:15 PM PDT by bcsco (Karl Rove, from Magnificent Bastard to Malignant Bastard in one day...)
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To: La Lydia

That was my first thought when I read this. This woman is telling the truth.


43 posted on 10/12/2010 2:40:32 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: toast

My daughter went to Costa Rica earlier this year and had a wonderful time. I don’t know if it would fit your family, but she really enjoyed it.


44 posted on 10/12/2010 2:42:19 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: bcsco

You really have a problem with this don’t you? LoL!

Look the fact she can’t describe anybody, her husbands body hasn’t shown up, his head hasn’t shown up, it started out with multiple boats but the one witness(on this big ol’ lake)saw only one boat also.

I think anyone would have the presence of mind to know what the person trying to kill you looks like. It can’t be too chaotic not enough players really just her.

One witness from a lake full of people, and yes there is a lot of people on that lake.

Hinky works just fine and if you don’t like it too damn bad. Until something comes up concrete that says one way or the other it’s hinky. So far nothing and it took a long time to even dig up the witness on this lake that has a LOT of people on it all the time. Don’t give me your I have to prove anything to you crap you seem to think you know what happened to cough up some facts until then your wishing you knew what happened doesn’t do it.


45 posted on 10/12/2010 2:43:56 PM PDT by blarney
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To: toast

When you can’t tell the difference between the criminals and the cops—that is one country that you want to avoid.


46 posted on 10/12/2010 2:45:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: La Lydia

“Proof positive it 1) happened the way the wife reported it and 2) the drug cartels are responsible.”

Nah, to hear the squatter support squad around here tell it, you’re just a ‘brown hater’ and Tiffany Hartley is the biggest, most brilliant criminal of all time. Makes Al Capone look like a choir boy.


47 posted on 10/12/2010 2:49:10 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Maybe folks are just waiting for some kind of proof or something to come out to show one way or the other if she is telling the truth.


48 posted on 10/12/2010 2:54:27 PM PDT by blarney
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To: algernonpj; utherdoul
Not to impose upon this thread but take a minute if you can and read the following article about the gangs and how they are taking over the Houston metroplex. It's amazing how fast this lawlessness is moving inland.

Most gangs in Texas call Houston region home


49 posted on 10/12/2010 2:56:17 PM PDT by deport (TEXAS -- Early Voting begins OCT. 18, 2010 (vote early and often)
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To: blarney
Hinky works just fine and if you don’t like it too damn bad.

Ha! That's it. Go ahead and live in confusion. I couldn't care less. Have a great day. Though I'm sure you'll think it is regardless...

50 posted on 10/12/2010 2:57:06 PM PDT by bcsco (Karl Rove, from Magnificent Bastard to Malignant Bastard in one day...)
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To: Melchior; toast

“For a great vacation try the Four Corners area in the West. Visit Moab, Monument Valley, Canyon de Chelly, Window Rock, and though it is about to be closed for the year, the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. The sights are indescribable, the locals convivial, and no severed heads to my knowledge.”

Unfortunately, the drug cartels are operating ALL over this nation. Ignoring the problem that is Mexico and its mass migration of criminals is what got us here.

Sunday, October 03, 2010
Armed Mexican Cartels take more US land, resources

All over this nation this summer!!
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2010/10/armed-mexican-cartels-take-more-us-land.html

AND

Alien Mexican Cartels occupy land all over the USA!

Yes, we know Arizona has land that has been given up to Mexico and it’s Narcoterrorists, but it’s not just along the border. It’s true. Search just about any state and you’ll find the story.
Many refuse to believe it, at the peril of all of us.
Private property rights??? Forget about it! Public property protected??? LOL!

Utah
Another Marijuana Farm Seized by Southern Utah Law Enorcement ...
KCSG - - 4 hours ago
(St. George, UT) – A 40-member law enforcement team seized over 3000 plants in another Marijuana growing farm near Central, Utah in ...Thursday’s raid is the sixth this year in Washington County, Moss said. Last year, there were two.

California

For years TheTownCrier has been reporting the hundreds of thousands of acres of habitat that is destroyed, without a word from ‘enviro friendly’ non profits and misguided, corrupt politicians. Last year, in the LaBrea Fire, 88,000 acres were burned down by the same illegal alien narcoterrorists.
This today:
Man fatally shot by deputies during pot raid was armed with pellet gun
[snip]Scouting deep within the steep, wooded wilderness of the sprawling N3 Cattle Ranch on July 21, three deputies shot Jose Penaloza-Soto, a landscaper from East Palo Alto. Deputies reported that the camouflaged 28-year-old did not drop his weapon when they spotted him and called out orders in both English and Spanish. In fact, he seemed to be aiming what clearly looked like a hunting rifle at a group of Alameda County sheriff’s deputies who were also on the raid. As officers advanced on the wounded man, he suddenly reached out to grab the dropped weapon and was shot once more, according to officials.

When they finally got to him, lying on a hillside of loose scree not far from an 18,000-plant illegal marijuana garden, Penaloza-Soto was dead.

Deputies estimate that there was about $60 million of marijuana ready for harvest within two well-hidden gardens nearby. Other suspects at the scene ran, deputies believe. Deputies heard them crashing away through the underbrush during the shooting. They have not been found.

The dead man’s family declined to be interviewed. But sheriffs reported that he was a Mexican national, here for slightly longer than a decade. He had worked for years with no criminal problems as a landscaper in the San Francisco area. Recently, his family reported, he had grown quiet and distant.
Marin Marijuana Farm Crackdown Nets $20 Million Of Pot
August 20, 2010
[snip]Sgt. Debra Barry said the plants, between 2 and 5 feet high, were spread over approximately 100 acres in the ridgelines and canyons surrounding Kent Lake in the Mount Tamalpais watershed. Dangerous chemicals, including rat poison, fertilizers and insecticides that pose significant dangers to pets and wildlife, public land and the water supply, were found at three clandestine grow sites, Barry said. The illegal cultivators also diverted water from natural springs, creating further danger to fish and wildlife. The growers also set up “improvised diversionary devices” used to disguise trails and injure people, Barry said. The growers’ encampments had tents, food, showering areas, camouflage clothing, personal items, and ammunition for .45-caliber handguns.

Madera County - $135 million worth of marijuana - that’s what drug agents found growing on private property in Madera County Wednesday. It is a record find for that county.

The grow was in a corn field, near Road 21 and Avenue 19.

It is a continuing problem across the Valley - Mexican drug cartels growing marijuana on acres of private property, and the land owners have no clue about it.

20-year-old Alejandro Castellanos, and 21-year-old Carlos Bailon-Martinez, both from Oaxaca, Mexico, were arrested.

They now face felony drug and weapons charges and are in the custody of immigration officials.

Ohio
Officers swarm ‘marijuana megafarms’ with suspected ties to Mexican drug cartels

Sept. 22, 2010 - Chasing some of the men as they fled along the Muskingum River, authorities arrested 10 Mexican nationals and charged them with conspiracy to cultivate marijuana in two carefully tended fields about 90 miles apart.

Authorities then arrested Hugo Ayala, 40, at his apartment on Columbus’ North Side. They say he was the ringleader of a potentially multimillion-dollar operation that could be linked to Mexican drug cartels.

Ayala, a legal U.S. resident, is thought to have shuttled his work crews from Columbus to their duties in the marijuana fields both east and northwest of the city. ...men would camp out at the sites while working days a time. (THIS is what DHS is giving green cards out to!)

Wisconsin

‘Marijuana Megafarm’ Hidden In Wisconsin National ForestAug 12, 2010
[snip]Investigators say a band of Hispanic men turned the forest’s southeastern tip into a giant pot farm, growing thousands of plants on remote plots, moving supplies along forgotten logging roads and buying supplies and ammunition at local stores.

Federal, state and local police spent June and July tailing suspected growers, following pickup trucks down abandoned logging roads and watching Hispanic men appear in the trees and toss nylon sacks resembling grain feed bags into the beds.

They followed one suspect to a Fleet Farm in Green Bay, where he purchased six pairs of pruning shears. They watched another man purchase 9 mm ammunition at a nearby Wal-Mart, documents said.

In Wisconsin, the number of seized plants in grew six-fold between 2003 and 2008, a year when more than 32,000 plants were seized

Drug investigators believe Mexican cartels are largely responsible for the spike. Growing the drug here helps them get it to major American markets more quickly. They often import unskilled laborers from Mexico to help find the best land and tend their crops.
Hidden in national forest: marijuana megafarm

In this Wednesday Aug. 11, 2010 photo, the men arrested in connection with marijuana farms that were raided by authorities in a national forest in northeast Wisconsin appear in federal court in Green Bay, Wis.

Cartel grow recruiters often look for people with family in Mexico so they can use them as leverage to keep the farmers working and quiet. If anyone betrays the farm, they go after the worker’s family, intelligence experts say.
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Texas
Officials say Mexican cartels growing more pot in Texas | McClatchy
Jul 15, 2010 ... It’s still early in the growing season, but the Ellis County Sheriff’s Department has already unearthed nearly 30000 high-grade marijuana ...Link
Mexican cartel farmers believed to be back growing marijuana in North Texas
[snip]”If these cartels are involved, that’s something for landowners to be concerned about. That’s some mean people down there, and there’s a lot of money at stake.”

Washington

Two arrested in alleged pot-growing operation
[snip]One of two alleged marijuana growers captured by police late Tuesday night was armed with a loaded rifle when caught tending about 1,300 plants hidden in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest, police say. ( Manuel C. Granados, 51, and Jose G. Perez, 36,)
In a similar case in Oregon on Wednesday morning, Jackson County Sheriff’s Office deputies shot and killed an armed man in a raid of an alleged Mexican cartel’s outdoor marijuana growing operation, according to a bulletin from the Oregon State Police.
Officials said Wednesday evening they didn’t yet know whether the suspects are in the U.S. legally. Perez also was being held for arrest warrants, issued in other areas, charging DUI and negligent driving.
Police say illegal pot farms causing potential harm to environment
[snip]There’s no regard for the environment or maintaining public lands,” said Special Agent Sue Thomas. “There’s a lot of trash, a lot of garbage, fertilizer, chemicals. It’s a hazard to the environment, a hazard to hikers.”

Oregon
A public menace
[snip]Illegal marijuana plantations on government lands are expanding, putting forest users at risk, say Southern Oregon law officers.

Unlike domestic pot operations of years past, many of the plantations now growing on federal land are operated by Mexican drug-trafficking organizations who are well-financed and well-armed, the sheriffs said.

“The longer it goes on, the harder it will be for us to overcome,” Winters told Walden. “They are better funded than us ... There are more of them than there are of us.”

A separate 2008 NDIC report on cartel-related drug-trafficking organizations said the Federation cartel was active in Klamath Falls, and undetermined cartels were working in Medford and Roseburg.

The Justice Department’s 2010 national drug threat assessment concluded the operations “constitute the greatest drug-trafficking threat” to the nation.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=+Alien+Mexican+Cartels+occupy+land+all+over+the+USA%21


51 posted on 10/12/2010 3:02:41 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: bcsco

No confusion here. You are trying to claim something and you have nothing for it. I didn’t claim to know either way you just kind of spazzed out on it.

so either toss it out there or admit you are the one who is living in confusion and also trying to make things up at this point.

Sorry the big words like hinky confuse you so much.


52 posted on 10/12/2010 3:03:18 PM PDT by blarney
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To: Williams
let’s just erase our border with those folks and let 500,000 cross over here for whatever reason no questions asked.

It already is. Here's a true story that I've related before about a student in my eighth grade history class. Student was whining about why we're so mean to illegals and that there shouldn't be a border so her family could come and go. I asked her if she had a front door. Yes, she did. I asked her if there was a lock on her front door. Yes, again. I asked her why she locked her door. She said to keep people out. Oh, so she locked her door so strangers wouldn't be wandering in univited, stealing her stuff, eating her food, and vegging out on her couch, right? Yes, she agreed. I tried to explain that her front door was like the border. The other students got it, but it went right over her head. That's the mentality of illegals and liberals.

53 posted on 10/12/2010 3:05:03 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: blarney
Sorry the big words like hinky confuse you so much.

You really have a problem with criticism. I'd look into that if I were you. The only confusion is from you trying valiantly to live up to your username. Don't like someone disagreeing with you, and seeking evidence instead of "blarney" from you (in vain I might add...) go to the DUmp. They all get along or are tombstoned.

Now, go have a beer, watch The View, tell your friends how your misunderstood. I have better things to do than argue with a nut.

54 posted on 10/12/2010 3:14:07 PM PDT by bcsco (Karl Rove, from Magnificent Bastard to Malignant Bastard in one day...)
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To: blarney; bcsco

“Maybe folks are just waiting for some kind of proof or something to come out to show one way or the other if she is telling the truth.”

Oh, please, there’s plenty of evidence in her favor. Some of you wouldn’t believe it if Poncho Villa rose from the grave and admitted the murder.

The Sheriff believes her, states he has evidence to prove her innocence.
His parents believe her.
Some congressmen believe her.
She has an eyewitness that backs her statements.
There is film of them shortly before the incident, the sheriff says substantiates her story.
She’s offered to take a polygraph.

And Mexico sucks at ANYTHING about the rule of law!

She’s demanding authorities find the body...if she’s SO guilty, WHY would she want the evidence found?

Look, this woman, YOUR fellow American, IF innocent, has suffered a horrible event and loss. Those that are SO sure of her guilt could be a bit kinder. Can you imagine going through what she has and reading some of these comments, let alone getting NO help from Obama’s regime or Mexico?

Shameful, that’s what it is. And QUITE UnAmerican.


55 posted on 10/12/2010 3:14:24 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB; blarney
Shameful, that’s what it is. And QUITE UnAmerican.

Yes, but it's "hinky". And that's what counts anymore. Evidence and reason be damned. But then again, if there's a reason to give Mexico benefit of the doubt, what else can you do?

56 posted on 10/12/2010 3:20:07 PM PDT by bcsco (Karl Rove, from Magnificent Bastard to Malignant Bastard in one day...)
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To: AuntB

Amen, AuntB! Agree 100%.


57 posted on 10/12/2010 3:22:00 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Well, after the Mexican Gov't announced that they believed her story, and would send their military, and federales to look for the body, the Cartel said, "Come on our turf, and you will regret it. We can take you."

Apparently the cartels are following up on that.

58 posted on 10/12/2010 3:22:29 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: blarney

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty? When did they change it?


59 posted on 10/12/2010 3:23:06 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: bcsco

Indeed—when you’re fighting for your life AND trying to somehow pull a large man onto your jetski, who has time to carefully and slowly observe the features of the attackers?


60 posted on 10/12/2010 3:24:45 PM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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