Posted on 10/10/2010 4:35:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
No, it happens in response to the uterine environment, possible due to pollutants, chemicals, plastics that find their way into all of our bodies. Something affects the normal stages of sexual / brain development, somewhere around week 12 or so of pregnancy.
Very disappointing. Too bad they didn't show pictures of the Gay Festival they have in San Francisco every year.
(Can't remember what it is called). Public nudity and disgusting sex acts in front of children.
Palandino has it pegged.
wow..You sure have a lot of patience to deal with the vitriolic posts...
some people are so threatened by the discussion that all they do is start to describe sexual behaviors and rant...then if one is not so enraged they attack you personally as “pro gay”.
So using that argument, in the same way, some people are also hardwired to become pedophiles. The fact that it is hardwired doesn't make it any more legitimate.
The Gospels say to follow every commandment (Mat. 5:17-19). The Epistles say repeatedly that we should imitate Yeshua (1Co. 11:1, 1Jn 2:6)--who I think we agree followed every commandment of the Torah perfectly.
So that doesn't really help--especially since the principle issue before the Acts council was one of coerced circumcision, with the observance of "the Law" being only a secondary issue. Moreover, the issue of the Law was brought up by the Pharisees, who did not have only the Torah in mind, but their particular interpretation of it, so not only the Torah was in view.
The point is that you can't use Acts 15 in the blanket way that Christians commonly do. You yourself admit that that you have obligations above and beyond the four injunctions of the Acts 15 council--no matter what part of the Bible you try to isolate as the source of those injunctions.
How then can you discern the obligations that you as a Gentile follower of Yeshua have? Well, to start with, you really need to study the Torah, the only systematic giving of the commandments in the Bible. In doing so you'll find, for example, that kosher is probably not binding on Gentiles, since Noah was given permission to eat any living creature and Israelites were allowed to sell non-kosher meat to Gentiles. (Which pretty much nixes ZC's point.)
You'll also find that there are many commandments you are not obligated to keep because they are only for those within the Land ("When you come into the Land which the LORD your God will give you . . .").
On the other hand, you'll find that Sabbath was incumbant on the foreigner staying within the gates of a Jew. You'll also find that Isa. 56 is a invitation to the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath--one which flows naturally from Isa. 54, which Paul quoted in Galatians.
You know that I'm not one who thinks the Church got everything wrong, xzins. I just don't think that it's yet gotten everything right, either. That's why I still think there is value in striving among the brethren--so long as they remain brethren.
Shalom.
oh get a grip. there is no evidence what so ever about what you said.
You admit there is no homo gene but now say while a baby and yes it is a baby in the stomach then that id where they are turned into homosexuals
LOL YCNMIU/.
a boy raised by his mother who is treated like a girl when young is bound to be confused.
It is mothers like those who are the idiots in thinking that if their little boy wants a dress or play with dolls then they leave the boy to it instead of correcting that boy and telling him he does not wear or play with girlie things.
Today and during the last 20 years some parents have been treating their little boys like little pansies while growing up instead of telling their little boy he is a boy, get up and to make him a man.
No they treat the little boy as a little girl, they don’t correct the kid and tell him he needs to play with boy toys, do boy things, infact I’ve seen some mothers encourage their boy to play as a girl.
LOL I’ve just read your post again and have to say it contains the biggest amount of B/S I have ever read for some time.
So this something which affects the brain then.
What is this something?
Do you have a medical term for this something?
No you’re using the homosexual crap.
Deal with it, nature intended for a man and a woman to reproduce in order for the human species to live on.
What homosexuals do is for sex, to get off in an unnatural way, not what nature intended.
Your homosexual and I presume you have one by your comments(they told you this crap as it is all homo propaganda) needs mental help not be encouraged .
Their lifespan is shorter, they are confused, they are doing unnatural acts and if you cared you’d help them instead of defending them as if nature made them like that
That said, the scriptures clearly say that the entire law can be found within the "love God....neighbor as yourself."
The following also clearly shows that the law was directed at Jews and was not directed at Gentiles. (We're not talking about whether it would be beneficial for Gentiles, simply whether it was directed at them.)
Romans 2: 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Regarding Love and the Law
- Romans 13:8 [Love, for the Day Is Near] Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.
- Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
- Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
- James 2:8 NIV If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.
Liberalism in a nutshell! "Don't worry about all those obscure rituals or taboos that make no sense; just be a good person." Is it any wonder that two thousand years of this nonsense has finally borne its disgusting fruit?
Rom 1:25-27
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY: FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY--Thomas Jefferson
"Love your fellow as yourself - Rabbi Akiva says this is a great principle of the Torah." (Kedoshim 19:18, Toras Kohanim, ibid. See also Talmud Yerushalmi, Nedarim 9:4; Bereishis Rabbah 24:7)
Shalom
I don't think you're reading it as Paul intended or as Christianity has had revealed, ZC.
The logic is: Since "love" does no harm to its neighbor, love fulfills the law.
That's quite a bit different than "be a good person."
Also, the love mentioned is not romantic love, erotic "love", or even brotherly kind feelings. It's best defined as sacrificial giving, is best exemplified by Christ, and is translated "charity" in Old English because of its difference from those other kinds of "love".
That said, this love took Christ to the cross and you can't argue against that kind of love, can you?
I don’t understand your post. Can you explain it? Thanks.
Rom 1:27
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
I’m not clever about anything, lb. I simply cited scripture from the Apostle Paul. If you have a beef, take it up with him.
The penalty is one that can be described as “in themselves.”
That suggests “disease” to me....perhaps of many vafrieties; perhaps of an auto-immune or andro-immune variety.
I’m solidly trinitarian...nothing gnostic about me at all.
I’m not clever about anything, lb. I simply cited scripture from the Apostle Paul. If you have a beef, take it up with him.
The penalty is one that can be described as “in themselves.”
That suggests “disease” to me....perhaps of many varieties; perhaps of an auto-immune or andro-immune variety.
I’m solidly trinitarian...nothing gnostic about me at all.
xzins' version: "The logic is: Since "love" does no harm to its neighbor, love fulfills the law."Aliester Crowley's version: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."
Matt 5:1717 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
NIV
You're assuming that chr*stianity is true (you know, like evolutionists assume evolution is true). Your assumption is faulty.
The heathen demanded to be taught the Torah while standing on one foot. What else could Hillel say?
Hillel would never have argued that the ritual commandments and taboos are essentially unimportant or meaningless, nor would he reduce the Torah to purely rational morality, as you well know.
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