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To: xzins; Zionist Conspirator
The gospels and letters of the Apostles pretty well spell out the positive commands that cover everything in the law.

The Gospels say to follow every commandment (Mat. 5:17-19). The Epistles say repeatedly that we should imitate Yeshua (1Co. 11:1, 1Jn 2:6)--who I think we agree followed every commandment of the Torah perfectly.

So that doesn't really help--especially since the principle issue before the Acts council was one of coerced circumcision, with the observance of "the Law" being only a secondary issue. Moreover, the issue of the Law was brought up by the Pharisees, who did not have only the Torah in mind, but their particular interpretation of it, so not only the Torah was in view.

The point is that you can't use Acts 15 in the blanket way that Christians commonly do. You yourself admit that that you have obligations above and beyond the four injunctions of the Acts 15 council--no matter what part of the Bible you try to isolate as the source of those injunctions.

How then can you discern the obligations that you as a Gentile follower of Yeshua have? Well, to start with, you really need to study the Torah, the only systematic giving of the commandments in the Bible. In doing so you'll find, for example, that kosher is probably not binding on Gentiles, since Noah was given permission to eat any living creature and Israelites were allowed to sell non-kosher meat to Gentiles. (Which pretty much nixes ZC's point.)

You'll also find that there are many commandments you are not obligated to keep because they are only for those within the Land ("When you come into the Land which the LORD your God will give you . . .").

On the other hand, you'll find that Sabbath was incumbant on the foreigner staying within the gates of a Jew. You'll also find that Isa. 56 is a invitation to the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath--one which flows naturally from Isa. 54, which Paul quoted in Galatians.

You know that I'm not one who thinks the Church got everything wrong, xzins. I just don't think that it's yet gotten everything right, either. That's why I still think there is value in striving among the brethren--so long as they remain brethren.

Shalom.

326 posted on 10/12/2010 7:48:14 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman; Zionist Conspirator; XeniaSt; Salem
Don't worry about anything intervening in the fact that we're brothers, Buggs. I ping you even to articles and comments I know we'll probably see differently. I want your take on it, and I know it'll be what you actually believe. You've never been one to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

That said, the scriptures clearly say that the entire law can be found within the "love God....neighbor as yourself."

The following also clearly shows that the law was directed at Jews and was not directed at Gentiles. (We're not talking about whether it would be beneficial for Gentiles, simply whether it was directed at them.)

Romans 2: 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Regarding Love and the Law


329 posted on 10/12/2010 8:23:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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