Posted on 09/24/2010 6:36:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
You defintely won’t get any argument from me that Bob Dole is way better than most of the RINOs we have in the Senate today. His was a great score in comparison.
But, let’s not forget, he had the power to put the Clintoon away, and he couldn’t even whip his Majority Whip into shape to deliver that last vote....
Imagine how much different things would be today if Bob Dole would have had the conviction to get the conviction....
“According to the logic that Ive seen used here on FR before, this now officially makes ODonnell a RINO”
Maybe you can post an example. From what I’ve seen of the “logic” here on FR:
1) A RINO endorses a RINO candidate = a RINO candidate
2) A RINO endoreses a Conservative candidate = a Conservative candidate
3) A Conservative endoreses a RINO candidate = a RINO candidate
4) A Conservative endorses a Conservative candidate = a Conservative candidate
If you detect a pattern here, then good for you! A RINO endorsement does not make a Conservative a RINO; nor does a Conservative endorsement make a RINO a Conservative.
Like I said, perhaps you can cite an example of when this “logic” did not follow on FR.
Some people just don't come across well in front of the cameras, and you just can't get elected with out that in the media age. Liz Cheney projects more gravitas on TV than he did.
He was not as successful in deflecting the onslaught as Palin has been. He just seemed to fumble in front of the cameras over and over and came across as dumb as a box of rocks. A shame really because people that know him think he was really quite intelligent.
Had he done something like Palin is doing, or served as Governor of Arizona, and then back to DC as ambassador to the UN or Cabinet position under George Bush maybe. As far as I know ,he really did not do anything that showed the public how wrong the press was about his abilities.
I wonder if a general or former secretary of defense would be good? Tommy Franks, stormin Norman, Sect. Gates? Someone from the Intelligence committee? I am struggling to even remember any names. It needs to be someone who can stand his ground with the press and punks like the current NJ. Gov. or Rumsfeld.
I think Palin needs to continue what she is doing. Getting more conservatives elected, and holding the politicians accountable. I don't think anyone else can be as effective at that, and it is a big need for the future.
John Bolton is also great on foreign policy, but he doesn't come across as stern enough. Someone with the same Gravitas as Cheney would be good. I just can't think of who it would be. Whoever it is, a BIG concern is their position on Globalism and US sovereignty. Too many have been selling out the American people to move toward Global Governance. It is just insane.
I’m talking about Colin Powell, not Dan Quayle as VP for gravitas.
Some people use the argument but it doesn’t always hold.
Palin a conservative candidate endorced mccain a rino - some people called palin a rino but most say conservative.
Dude, nobody here will say that Bob Dole was not a patriot or a great man in WWII. But many here will say he was "less than conservative", "ineffective," "a disappointment", or even "total $hit" as Senate Majority Leader. I throw my lot in with them, but I'm biased.
But seriously, even among those who thought he was the "bee's knees", do you really think anyone today could get behind him? Maybe Bob Dole dragged you out of complete apathy to political activism in 1996, but can you honestly say he "lights your fire" in 2012? He does Viagra commericals for God's sake!
I was talking about Colin Powell. Yeah Bob Dole is too old now. Elizabeth Dole is 74.
I think it’ll end up being Palin vs one of the older Republicans. Not Mitt Newt or Huck. Like in 2000. A lot of major candidates got out by the time mccain got in.
But no, Bob Dole is too old now. Liz Dole, Colin Powell, Lamar Alexander, Dan Quayle, Tom Ridge.
Colin Powell is no republican!
WTF? See my #1 or #3. Whether Palin is Conservative or RINO, McCain remains a RINO.
#1? McCain= RINO;
#3? McCain=RINO.
OMG! Let’s not even get started on Colon Powell. LOL!
I think I get you now. What you’re saying is that the nature of the endorser does not change the nature of the candidate.
What the other person was saying was the opposite. Yes, I agree with you.
Ok, I was just curious what the response would be.
No one has ever said that to me before. Will you marry me? :)
THank you both. I’m sorry to hear that. The fact that he gave that endorsement from his hospital bed speaks volumes. I think he must be smiling when thinking of the positive changes he is seeing in the American voting public, the Tea party movement and a refreshing slate of new and up and coming candidates. May God bless him to see the country back on track once more.
Thanks Bob and get well soon.
IMO, the elections in ‘94 were not so much about an enthusiasm for the ‘Contract With America’ as much as they were a repudiation of the kind of socialism krinton was taking the country into. Recall the assaults on 2A, the abortion expansion and our first round with full blown socialized medicine with elites controlling policy in secret meetings. Grass roots organizations and citizen actions began to rock this country on those key issues. FR, itself, was a product of those times.
Dole and Gingrich managed to hijack that momentum and, like clockwork, label it an affirmation of Republicanism and propel us from a majority into a stalemate and back into exile with an idiotic Presidential campaign doomed to failure from the outset. Dole simply said it ‘was my turn to run for POTUS’ and the rest is history as he lumbered our chances for supremacy off the cliff we all could clearly see and were screaming about.
Today, with Tea Party power rising (actually, the same kind of organic rejection of socialism), we're seeing the same ‘ol same ‘ol from the R's and Gingrich is even making a comeback as an elder statesman commentator. The R's are resurrecting a new contract, changing the name, and trying out their shuck and jive routine for another tour.
If you believe that the establishment Republicanism (and Bob is certainly an prime example) we're endlessly treated to is the kind of answer we need to survive as a free republic, then you're part of the problem. Pragmatism, however polite or established, isn't going to get the job done.
It seems to be stock in trade among some on here to think that because Romney supports DeMint, this makes DeMint "questionable" at least.
Dole, an aide said, is having knee surgery, and has contributed the maximum to O'Donnell's campaign.
That’s a great post, and I agree with everything you said 100%.
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