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'Rapid' 2010 melt for Arctic ice - but no record
BBC News ^
| 16 September 2010
| Richard Black
Posted on 09/17/2010 9:11:38 AM PDT by neverdem
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:11:40 AM PDT
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neverdem
To: neverdem
The “National Snow and Ice Data Center”?? Never heard of it. Wonder how may govt. employees are there?
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:18:29 AM PDT
by
CobraJet
To: neverdem
I’m hearing tripe from NOAA and other gov’t agencies that “this was the 4th warmest summer of all time” and “this is the second biggest ice melt in history.”
Ok, so my question is, when did record keeping start? Are we talking about 20 years? 50? 100? If this is one a 100 year continuum, then I’ll take notice. Otherwise, these numbers are simply hyperbole to buttress the AGW idiots out there.
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:18:30 AM PDT
by
rarestia
(It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
To: steelyourfaith
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:21:56 AM PDT
by
Army Air Corps
(Four fried chickens and a coke)
To: neverdem
Ice melting in the summer, with 20 hours of sunshine?!
To: neverdem
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:25:08 AM PDT
by
Bulwinkle
(Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
To: CobraJet
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:27:40 AM PDT
by
Mojave
(Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
To: CobraJet
It’s a university coop project ~ I suppose the COTR knows where it is, but the employees are likely grad students keying data into the computer where the data is kept. SEE: http://nsidc.org/
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:29:41 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: Army Air Corps; grey_whiskers; proud_yank; markomalley; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Nipfan; Fiddlstix; ..
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:30:28 AM PDT
by
steelyourfaith
("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
To: neverdem
The BBC has its pension stock in “Green” technology.
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:30:39 AM PDT
by
Tzimisce
(No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
To: neverdem
Expect to see more summer-time stories about "rapid melt" of arctic sea ice. What you won't see is an explanation.
New sea ice is briny -- it's frozen salt water. As it ages, the salt leaves the sea ice. Old sea ice is fresh water. Briny ice melts at a lower temperature than fresh-water ice. Therefore, new ice melts rapidly, and old ice tends to stick around.
If you study the following chart, you will notice that a lot of new ice was formed in 2008 and 2009. In turn, a lot of this new ice melted off in the summer of 2010. However, there's still more ice now, than there was at this time in 2007 and 2008. If that additional ice doesn't melt next summer, it will become "old" ice -- and be more likely to stick around in following years.
The trend line was broken in 2008. It may now be trending up. We won't hear much about this. We will hear lots about ice melting in the spring. We will be left with the impression that it's unusual for ice to melt in the summer.
If the extent of sea ice falls to below the 2007 level, we will hear endless stories about that. And the stories might even have a valid point -- showing a long-term downward trend. So long as the trend line is actually pointing upward, all that the warmists, and their media allies have left; is to wail about "rapid melting" each summer.
The chart below is from this site: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
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posted on
09/17/2010 9:55:11 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: neverdem
Big Deal!
I’ve stopped believing anything the AGW liars and carbon credit profiteers have been saying for years.
They need to stop fawning over the Emperor’s new clothes. The kid spoke up a long time ago.
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posted on
09/17/2010 10:12:54 AM PDT
by
PATRIOT1876
(Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
To: neverdem
If this is true, it would indicate higher ocean temps, which portend for longer, colder winters with higher precipitation.
Buy parkas and raincoats.
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posted on
09/17/2010 10:16:13 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: neverdem
Researchers say projections of summer ice disappearing entirely within the next few years increasingly look wrong...
![](http://evert.meulie.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/mark_harmon.jpg)
"Gee. Ya think."
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posted on
09/17/2010 10:49:20 AM PDT
by
Condor51
(SAT CONG!)
To: muawiyah
Says the NSIDC has been around since 1976. Founded, no doubt, to study global cooling way back then.
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posted on
09/17/2010 11:20:03 AM PDT
by
CobraJet
To: rarestia
Warmers think the earth is 100 years old. That is why they consider temperature trends for the last few years significant.
To: neverdem
That damn Global Warming again, sorry, I mean that damn Global Climate Disruption again. It’s gonna take some getting used to.
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posted on
09/17/2010 4:44:37 PM PDT
by
PMAS
To: neverdem
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posted on
09/17/2010 4:55:34 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: All
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posted on
09/17/2010 6:12:45 PM PDT
by
annie laurie
(All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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