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Central New York farmers find federal program makes it harder to bring in migrant workers
PostStandard Syracuse NY ^ | 09.14.10 | Debra Groom

Posted on 09/14/2010 5:40:51 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Peter Gregg, speaking for New York Farm Bureau, said there’s more paper work and it is more time-consuming.

“The government has made it worse by an added level of bureaucracy and red tape,” he said.

The program now requires farmers... spend hours filling out nearly 10 forms and applications (four forms are new this year).

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: illegal; immigration; newyork
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Where's that teeny, tiny, violin when you really need it?
1 posted on 09/14/2010 5:40:57 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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Correct, we want our illegals with no paper work and less expense, let the duma** tax payer subsidize us!!!
2 posted on 09/14/2010 5:49:41 AM PDT by org.whodat
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These farmers probably get massive welfare payments in the form of farm subsidies and they have the gall to complain that they must hire US workers?

I'd love to know who these farmers sell to so I know who not to buy from!

3 posted on 09/14/2010 6:00:37 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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It’s apple picking time so the sob stories have to come out...


4 posted on 09/14/2010 6:02:55 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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Let the farmers also pay for all the public assistance that these workers require.

You want to import labor, pay for all the costs associated with it instead of dumping the costs on the backs of taxpayers.

That head of lettuce isn’t looking like that much of a bargain now is it?


5 posted on 09/14/2010 6:16:53 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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But, but, but, the freepers always say they are opposed only to illegal immigrants and love legal immigrants.

The replies on this thread prove otherwise.

6 posted on 09/14/2010 6:17:07 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: headstamp 2
Let the farmers also pay for all the public assistance that these workers require.

You want to import labor, pay for all the costs associated with it instead of dumping the costs on the backs of taxpayers.

Amen to that.

That head of lettuce isn’t looking like that much of a bargain now is it?

It never was. At least where I am, food prices go only in one direction, up. Any "savings" realized by the farmers for using illegal labor certainly did not make it back to my pocket, and that doesn't even factor in the tax money I pay that is used to pay for welfare for the farmer, or for public services for the illegals.

7 posted on 09/14/2010 6:20:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Fine. Maybe they can hire some local boys to do the work, like their fathers used to do.

I gre up next to an apple orchard, and I vividly remember the year that the farmer who owned it started using Mexican labor to pick the apples. That was the same year that my grandfather was forced to sit out back by our sheds with a shotgun, lest we be robbed blind. The very first day of picking season, he had gone around back to get some tool or another and found half-a-dozen Mexicans in our tractor shed helping themselves to our gasoline.

8 posted on 09/14/2010 6:27:30 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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I say we all stop eating American produce, they are all just getting rich off of the government and charging higher prices. We should grow our own or import produce from Mexico where they have all the pickers they need.


9 posted on 09/14/2010 6:31:12 AM PDT by tiki
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"Maybe they can hire some local boys"

As the article that you didn't read states, he advertised the jobs in three states and got two applicants. One man who didn't take the job and a woman who worked weekends for a while.

10 posted on 09/14/2010 6:34:06 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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I say we all stop eating American produce, they are all just getting rich off of the government and charging higher prices. We should grow our own or import produce from Mexico where they have all the pickers they need.


11 posted on 09/14/2010 6:38:44 AM PDT by tiki
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It sounds like there must be few unemployed people in upstate New York these days. Otherwise, there would be a ready supply of farm labor that would make migrants unnecessary. /s


12 posted on 09/14/2010 6:41:49 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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Who said anything about hiring men and women? Doesn’t this farmer live in a rural community where there are boys? My friends and I picked apples for $5 a day every fall until I was 14, when the migrants came.


13 posted on 09/14/2010 6:57:08 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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But, but, but, the freepers always say they are opposed only to illegal immigrants and love legal immigrants.

Only the easily led claim that.

We've had legal endless chain immigration for years now...It's way past time to reform legal immigration..

Ya don't drag in more people when ya have millions unemployed.

Kinda of a no brainer.

14 posted on 09/14/2010 7:12:55 AM PDT by dragnet2
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Let the farmers also pay for all the public assistance that these workers require. You want to import labor, pay for all the costs associated with it instead of dumping the costs on the backs of taxpayers.

Exactly!

15 posted on 09/14/2010 7:14:47 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Ben Ficklin

For what it’s worth, I read the entire article . . . so there’s at least one other person on this thread.


16 posted on 09/14/2010 7:45:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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There are plenty of unemployed who can pick food for wages.


17 posted on 09/14/2010 7:50:37 AM PDT by Chickensoup (There is a group of people who suck off the productive. They make rules then find infractions.)
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There are plenty of unemployed who can pick food for wages.


18 posted on 09/14/2010 7:50:39 AM PDT by Chickensoup (There is a group of people who suck off the productive. They make rules then find infractions.)
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And I say he is lying either that or he was offering slave wages.


19 posted on 09/14/2010 7:55:45 AM PDT by calex59
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I lived in upstate New York, there are plenty of unemployed but they are clustered in towns and have no reliable transportation to get to these remote farms. What was the farmer offering, a place to stay until the harvesting was done? What were the wages? Also the harvesting season depending on the orchards and crops is only about 6 to 8 weeks or so across the region before the hard frosts hit in November and the upstate farming region is huge. Pumpkins and root crops such as potatoes can be harvested into november or so.

In some ways the farmers brought the situation on themselves in that by planning their financials around cheap labor to maximize profits, they minimized spending on more efficient farming methods and mechanization. Also the state and counties have such high taxes on property and income that the farmers find themselves in a tight squeeze. So they try to skimp on labor wages (and because of the small families now a days, they can’t rely even on their children to give them a hand). Now even migrant labor is in short supply.

Famine is coming!


20 posted on 09/14/2010 9:11:59 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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