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Russian SPETSNAZ arrested at powerplant by I-95 possibly with a tactical nuke?
savannahnow.com ^ | 9/9/2010 | DeAnn Komanecky, Jeff Nyquist, Kabud

Posted on 09/13/2010 8:40:02 PM PDT by Kabud

This is the original news report from SPRINGFIELD, Effingham County in Georgia, next to the entrance of I-95 to Florida.

Effingham deputies call feds after arresting Russians with shovel, wire cutters outside Georgia Power plant

by Evgeniy Luzhetskiy

SPRINGFIELD — Effingham County sheriff deputies have reported the early Sunday morning arrest of three men to the federal Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The men, two from Russia and one from Kazakhstan, were found near Georgia Power’s Plant McIntosh on Old Augusta Road about 1 a.m. Sunday after a ranger with the Department of Natural Resources reported a suspicious vehicle, Effingham County sheriff’s spokesman David Ehsanipoor said.

Deputies reported the men, who were inside a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder, had a machete, shovel, wire cutters and ski masks. One man also had black silk stockings in his front left pocket.

Arrested were Evgeniy Luzhetskiy, of Kazakhastan Nail Idiatullin and Rustem Ibragimov of Russia. All three reported they lived in Charleston, S.C., deputies reported.

The men were all charged with possession of tools during the commission of a crime.

The three were released after being interviewed by task force members, Ehsanipoor said.

"They did all have visas that allowed them to be here and are supposed to be leaving the country soon."

This is the letter to the editor of savannahnow.com :

To the editor:

With regard to the detention and questioning of three men from the "former" Soviet Union caught near a power plant with a shovel and wire cutters, several posts to Your web site were deleted for linking to stories about Russian/Soviet spetsnaz. 
Those who posted were then banned, as if they had committed an egregious offense.
If I were a national security official I'd be burning with curiosity as to the reason for censoring such material.
Is Your paper being pressured by someone?
And why would this topic be so sensitive, so off limits, when You allowed posters to discuss the possible Jewish ethnicity of the aforementioned "former" Soviet persons?
The oblique suggestion of a jewish conspiracy is allowed, but a link to a New York Times piece on Russian special operations is deleted, along with links to GRU defector testimony from two knowledgeable experts.
Whether these deletions are due to a pro-Russian bias or to some mental block (produced, perhaps, by years of successful "active measures" against the American psyche), the deletion got my attention far more than a story about suspicious Russian-related activity (which is rather commonplace).
I don't suppose You will answer this email, but curiosity got the best of me.
Jeff Nyquist
p.s.
In order to help You to make a better objective judgment on The Issue

I take my liberty to copy the postings that SavannaNow deleted:

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let me answer several questions

By karkas1 | 09/10/10 - 07:47 pm these people are not amish also there are not jews Their ethnic background is one Russian, possibly Christian, and two others Russian Caucasians, possibly Muslims; however this background stuff does not matter, because their true religion is Communism and ethnically there are Marxists - these people don't have motherland, but there are willing to possess the whole Earth. And America is the only country which is an obstacle on their way; so tehre are ready for everything to ruin it.

 
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I am surprized with you, Americans!

By karkas1 | 09/10/10 - 07:40 pm You just caught three very dangerous Russian diversants and you are going to let them go?! Do you know what will happen next? Let me explain you. Their bosses back in Moscow will see that it is totally OK to send their agents to the US to set up various attacks against Americans. In case if these agents are caught, there is no punishment for them and in the worst case these agents will be sent back home, as it was done a couple of months ago to the guys from a spy ring, and as it is going to be done now. It means, that in the future you will have to expect tens of thousands of Russians who will be setting up various diversions on you sensitive objects, and even if catch some of them, others will do the job! If you want my advise what to do with these guys - here it is: put them to jail for at least 10 years. Next time they should be scared to go to America with bad intentions. Yet, BTW, Russians will respect you more.

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SPETSNAZ in the search of a spot marked for nuke hiding place

By Kabud | 09/12/10 - 04:43 am

Setting up one of these devices is complicated. The bombs need a small amount of power to keep them safely in storage. For example, the GRU specialist might have to run a very small wire to an electrical source, such as a power wire, and then attach it to the weapon. The wires can be run as far as one hundred yards or more from the weapon. The wires are small enough that they would easily break if someone tampered with them or tried to follow them to their source. In case there is a loss of power, there is a battery

Nuclear devices can also be slipped across the Mexican or Canadian borders. It is easy to get a bomb to Cuba and from there transport it to Mexico. Usually the devices are carried by a Russian intelligence officer or a trusted agent. If a Russian intelligence officer was for some reason not involved, the human missile transporting the device would be killed after safely handing it over to a GRU specialist. This is a simple security precaution.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30259323/Why-Russia-is-More-Dangerous-Than-Eve...

2. Spetsnaz fighting shovel.

http://militaryanalysis.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html

The common Soviet/Russian entrenching tool. Sharp on three sides, a single monolithic object, unlike the current American entrenching tool. Used by Spetsnaz soldiers as a fighting weapon, silent, and in the right hands, downright deadly.

"In a combat training of Spetsnaz soldiers a great attention is paid to their ability to engage in hand-to-hand combat and to use hand-held weapon . . . an entrenching shovel is of special importance . . . it is a formidable weapon of the close combat."

"the entrenching shovel is an excellent throwing implement - the range of aimed throw made by a well-trained specialist is 10 meters or more."

A weapon used as a hand-to-hand fighting tool, and, WHEN USED IN THE RIGHT HANDS, A THROWING WEAPON ALSO!

Again - - from Suvorov:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/09.html

"In the hands of a spetsnaz soldier the spade is a terrible noiseless weapon . . . The little spade can be used in hand-to-hand fighting against blows from a bayonet, a knife, a fist or another spade . . . Finally a soldier is taught to throw the spade as accurately as he would use a sword or a battle axe . . . As it spins in flight [the spade has] accuracy and thrust. It becomes a terrifying weapon. If it lands in a tree it is not so easy to pull out again."

Here, thanks to the Russian web site: "Entrenching Shovel in Close Combat. Version of Spetsnaz GRU. Basic Fighting Technique." you can see video clips of Alexander Popov [???], demonstrating the fighting shovel combat technique.

You see a lot of twirls, pirouettes, jumps, etc. Ballet-like in form??!! This is characteristic of Russian style martial arts? Russian All-round Fighting [RAF] DOES emphasize Russian folk dance as a basis for many martial arts "moves"!? An indigenously developed Russian close-quarters-combat fighting form that is very effective!?

I would ask the question too, HOW OFTEN WOULD SUCH WEAPONS BE EMPLOYED?

Martial arts as taught to special operations units the world over are obviously useful, to say the least, but how often used? I would think very rarely, if at all?

Such martial arts techniques are more than anything else an excellent way of developing physical fitness, building confidence, instilling aggressiveness, AND OF COURSE - - PERHAPS KILLING AN AMERICAN SENTRY - - NOISELESSLY - - WITH A KNIFE OR A SHOVEL!!

An even more frightful weapon is a spade in the hands of a skilled fighter. It was with the Soviet Army spade that we began this book. Ways of using it are one of the dramatic elements of sambo. A spetsnaz soldier can kill people with a spade at a distance of several metres as easily, freely and silently as with a P-6 gun.

Lunev asserted that some of the hidden caches could contain portable tactical nuclear weapons known as RA-115 "suitcase bombs". Such bombs have been prepared to assassinate US leaders in the event of war, according to him [1] Lunev states that he had personally looked for hiding places for weapons caches in the Shenandoah Valley area[1] and that "it is surprisingly easy to smuggle nuclear weapons into the US, either across the Mexican border or using a small transport missile that can slip undetected when launched from a Russian airplane [1]

God Bless USA  

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russians can do it here with a nuke and more

From Kabud | 09/12/10 - 01:37 pm http://losangeles.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel10/la051810.htm The FBI is coordinating a training exercise among multiple government and law enforcement organizations at the national and local level, to exercise response capabilities relative to a terrorist attack involving an improvised nuclear device. The exercise will take place Monday, May 17th through Wednesday, May 19th.

But mind that there is no such thing as `homemade nuke`. ON the other hand a suitecase device is a real one. So it is all just double speak.

From New York Times article published on 04/16/2010

Intelligence officials feared that bomb parts might be delivered in diplomatic mail pouches, carried by international air travelers in their luggage or delivered by boat or submarine to an isolated beach.

Communist agents already in the country might then assemble, plant and detonate the weapons. “Surveillance of all Communist Party members and sympathizers is impossible and impractical since numerically they exceed by many times the total Special Agent force of the F.B.I.,” a bureau memo complained. J. Edgar Hoover, the F.B.I. director, who was intensely focused on the smuggling threat, proposed increasing manpower to cope.

Among many potential nuclear saboteurs, F.B.I. field offices identified the proprietor of a left-wing bookstore in Seattle, a reporter for the Soviet news agency Tass and even a representative of the American Council for a Democratic Greece.

When the Polish consul to Detroit arrived in the United States in the mid-1950s with four big boxes, F.B.I. agents surreptitiously searched them for nuclear material. They found 24 bottles of cherry cordial but “no article or part thereof that could be construed as a portion of a weapon of mass destruction,” their secret report solemnly declared.

Security officials later speculated about whether China might set off a smuggled nuke in the United States and make it look like a Soviet attack, provoking devastating war between its rivals. Later, as portable tactical nuclear weapons proliferated in both Eastern and Western Europe, there were periodic alarms about their security.

In the 1950s the United States knew its adversaries had weapons; the mystery was whether they might use them. Today, said Jeffrey T. Richelson, a historian of nuclear weapons, the situation is reversed: Qaeda leaders have suggested publicly that they would use a nuclear weapon, “but as far as we know, Al Qaeda hasn’t even come close to building a bomb.”

(Excerpt) Read more at  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/world/16memo.html

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Where are the messages of KABUD?

By karkas1 | 09/12/10 - 06:16 pm
Dear moderator, yesterday I saw here several messages written by Kabud, which contained links to information that is highly important for understanding the described events. Unfortunately, I don't see them here any more. One of them I have in my cash (see below), however, there were several more important notes from this user. Because, to the best of my knowledge, his messages did not violate any rules and did not contain any offensive meaning, I would ask you if you could be so kind to restore them Thank you! Here is the message that I have in my cash:  < THIS USER QUOTED ONE OF THE ABOVE>

"..This is a place where you can take the lead in telling your own story. As a registered Savannahnow.com user, you get your own weblog, your own photo gallery, and the ability to post entries in special databases such as events and recipes. In return, we ask that you meet this character challenge: be a good citizen and exhibit community leadership qualities. It's a simple and golden rule. Act as you would like your neighbors to act. Anybody can be a leader. You're a leader every day in what you do and what you say -- regardless of whether you  want to be a leader. Your words have power."                                                                       from :      http://savannahnow.com/about-us



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To: Kabud

You are wasting your time. Most Americans refuse to consult reality until it is jammed into their face during a disaster.


61 posted on 09/13/2010 9:37:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Quix

man it makes me sad.. not thats not the word

I was born in Ukraine

ruski communists murdered 50 million ukrainians in 1917-1991

the book on that: `Hitler Stalin’s stooge`

Figure is confirmed by Ukrainian historians based on archives opened just in 2009

I know what `they` want

it is beyond sad.


62 posted on 09/13/2010 9:38:28 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud
Ahh but the Russians hate and distrust the Chinese. China wants to steal all the Siberian resources. Yes they could be working together under a temporary truce, but not as comrades. Communism in Beijing is not the Rodina. Communism in Beijing is manufacturing cheap plastic items for Wal-Mart.

It is believable that Moskva wants the US to collapse. And then they will tell the Chinese to stay the hell away. But the Chinese will have all the hard currency. They can buy anything they want and Russia will sell it to them. Hmmm. It is a strange world after all.

63 posted on 09/13/2010 9:39:33 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: B4Ranch

I dont want USA to be exterminated

I LOVE America. USA- is EVERYTHING to me
EVERYTHING

I will be fighting to the end. Hope we will win

it is not going to be nice


64 posted on 09/13/2010 9:39:50 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud
posters at savannah sound like they are paid by ruski

If you knew something about America you would know we have loads of lefties that don't need to be paid a dime to spread commie propaganda.

you have to read something about how ruski hire people to post massively online. Come out from your cave, read, learn

Would an average of ten hours a day six days a week for the last ten years qualify? I am well aware of ChiCom trolls who post for PLAN and have had a hand in getting at least a dozen of them zotted.

Also check the statistic of Americans been overweight And look into how THAT effect immune system

That doesn't affect my weight or health.

65 posted on 09/13/2010 9:41:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"Does anyone else have a problem with that sentance? "

Only because the author is an idiot. in every state that I'm familiar, there exists a statute(s) that adds an enhancement to a criminal trespass charge. So, if you are arrested for trespass but haven't necessarily burgled any thing (which would lead to a burglary charge), you might find yourself with additional charges if you have what is described by statute as a "tool of burglary" (or whatever phrase the state might use.

And, again depending on the state, this can be a misdemeanor charge, or a felony charge depending on the kinds of tools you're carrying.

As an example (and depending on the state), if you're carrying on your person a propriety tool - for getting into a particular lock or safe, you're probably going to be facing a felony. In GA - I practiced in GA for a little while - the statute is 16-7-20 (or it could be 16-7-21, I can't remember), if you want to read it yourself.

66 posted on 09/13/2010 9:41:39 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Cindy; Dr. Strangelove

Hi Cindy have you heard anything on Russia about this? I wounder if the Whitehouse will pursue this as a terrorism act or swipe it under the rug with more of Barry’s “Open Hand” disastrous foreign policy. Barry has to be feeling like a pinata by now because the only thing his foreign policy has accomplished so far is a ton of back hands from the rest of the world.


67 posted on 09/13/2010 9:43:10 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Men, if you’re going to commit a crime, leave your tool at home.


68 posted on 09/13/2010 9:43:50 PM PDT by DC Bound (F Government)
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To: Kabud

You and I both know it won’t be nice but as long as there is football on the TV and beer for sale in the stores most people are not going to worry one iota about what Russia has planned for Americas future.


69 posted on 09/13/2010 9:44:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Kabud

I know Russian Special Forces... they’re built like human tanks.... These guys could never make the grade.


70 posted on 09/13/2010 9:45:08 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: B4Ranch

Oh, I’d love to worry about it. Now what should I do?


71 posted on 09/13/2010 9:45:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Sender

Chinese buy almost ALL russian military export

Almost ALL Chinese arms are made in Russia

Russia and China have no borders and act as one state

their military planning is joint for many decades

Chinese got their nukes from ruski

That is a gift one only gives to some one THEY OWN

Ruskli have about 100 times more WMD Then Chinese

so dont fool yourselfs

just READ on the subject:

here I collect sources:

http://www.scribd.com/kabud/documents

over 700 books in several languages

http://books.google.com/books?uid=5652302884137400206&as_coll=0&source=gbs_lp_bookshelf_list


72 posted on 09/13/2010 9:45:38 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Sender

I recall an article from 2009 about how Russia urged China to dump treasuries during our collapse in the fall of 2008...


73 posted on 09/13/2010 9:47:42 PM PDT by DC Bound (F Government)
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To: B4Ranch

at 9-11 i was in Manhattan

after that beer and football stopped working for about 2 years if u know what i mean


74 posted on 09/13/2010 9:48:20 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: DC Bound

Yes, i read secretary Paulson book too


75 posted on 09/13/2010 9:49:03 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: DTogo; Kabud

Those were not Spetznaz; they were kids. I dealt with Spetznaz on a friendly basis while in the Army. There’s not a deputy in the country who could take one Spetznaz, let alone three of them.

Why were they at the power plant with tools and ski masks? Why was one carrying a silk scarf? Who knows? There is obviously more to the story. There obviously was no bomb, certainly not a tactical nuclear weapon, or these guys would not be released. In fact, we’d probably have never heard about it at all.

On the other hand, there has been a great deal of Russian activity lately.


76 posted on 09/13/2010 9:49:29 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

There is the ever-so-slim chance that the reason they were released was so they could be followed and surveilled. I know that is pretty far from reality because it would require the authorities to actually give a crap, and to not be infected with chronic PCness.


77 posted on 09/13/2010 9:50:59 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Kabud

It’s outrageous.

Have studied globalism/communism/socialism

since 1965.

These guys have been playing for keeps for longer than 110 years:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2475963/posts?page=60#60

GOD ALONE IS OUR REFUGE.

His Word has predicted this era for more than 2000 years.

It is ‘exciting’ to see it all come down . . .

I could do with no excitement for a good long time.


78 posted on 09/13/2010 9:51:33 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: ronnyquest

>Those were not Spetznaz; they were kids.

did u meet them? I dont think so.

So how do you know? Spetsnaz i used to know in the 80s did not differ from these.

Typical


79 posted on 09/13/2010 9:53:04 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: HiTech RedNeck; James C. Bennett
If I say it was simply a pizza run gone awry, would you believe me? :)

Seriously though, the story is interesting. However there is a simple rule of thumb for paring away reality from conspiracy. IF this story continues to be in the media, then the guys were just some silly Russians trying to muck about and got caught before they could vandalize anything. HOWEVER, if the story downright straightup disappears from the media, like the ether opened up and swallowed it, then you can know that there was more to the story than drunk Russians with thoughts of vandalism. It is like the story last year of some 'Asian gentlemen' who were intercepted in Switzerland with billions of dollars worth of bonds ....a big story for two days, then it 100 percent disappeared. Like it never happened. Now ...that WAS a story!!!! :)

80 posted on 09/13/2010 9:56:55 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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