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E-85 loses its way; Demand cools as new energy alternatives arrive
pioneer press ^ | 9-12-10 | tom webb

Posted on 09/12/2010 10:21:59 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Back in 2004, both a network TV crew and eager motorists were on hand when an E-85 pump opened for business at a busy SuperAmerica station in St. Paul.

The excitement didn't last. Today, that pump at the station on Grand Avenue sells only unleaded gasoline, not the 85-percent ethanol blend once touted as leading a revolution in biofuels.

That single St. Paul pump mirrors the struggles E-85 has had penetrating the consumer market across the state, especially in urban areas. The volume of E-85 sales has fallen about 25 percent from its 2008 peak, Minnesota statistics show. And the number of Minnesota gas stations with E-85 pumps has begun to decline, reversing years of slow but steady growth.

The reversal is especially noteworthy here, because Minnesota has been the nation's undisputed leader in E-85's promotion, support and availability. In a state that lacks fossil fuels, E-85 had been heralded as a homegrown alternative that Gov. Tim Pawlenty once called 'one of the most important issues and economic tools for all of Greater Minnesota.'

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: corn; e85; energy; ethanol; folly; food; fuel; green
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Wrong again, T-Paw.
1 posted on 09/12/2010 10:22:02 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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Well, it’s hardly energy-positive if at all, can actually cost more to use than gasoline...it needs to be transported and used quickly because it’s hygroscopic and goes bad...what’s not to like?

I’m really worried that ADM is going to...uhhh...”convince” the government into mandating its use in all gasolines. It’s crap.


2 posted on 09/12/2010 10:37:08 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The great Ethanol boondoggle, useless for so many reasons.......


3 posted on 09/12/2010 10:37:19 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Corn is FOOD not Fuel


4 posted on 09/12/2010 10:40:10 AM PDT by bt579 ("I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." ~Barack 0bama)
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To: The Antiyuppie

it needs to be transported and used quickly because it’s hygroscopic and goes bad


This has proven to be a major problem for boaters with gasoline engines. Ethanol has caused countless engine and fuel tank problems. Apparently the government does not consider a stalled engine to be a problem at sea.


5 posted on 09/12/2010 10:41:21 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I used it for a while in my flexfuel Ranger, but it caused problems with moisture in the gas tank, especially in the cooler months. It did seem to have a little more zip though.


6 posted on 09/12/2010 10:41:37 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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Apparently the government does not consider a stalled engine to be a problem at sea.

They don't consider a stalled economy to be a problem, either.

7 posted on 09/12/2010 10:43:27 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
You can't sell this stuff in “corn central”, the Midwest
corn belt where I live.
8 posted on 09/12/2010 10:44:15 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: Starboard
This has proven to be a major problem for boaters with gasoline engines.

He11, just the 10% mix plays havoc with my new little 9.9hp....even though I use hi-test and a stabilizer. I can't imagine what an 85% mix would do.

9 posted on 09/12/2010 10:48:14 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: CrazyIvan

They just cram it down our throats and tell us it’s “green”.
They also pee on our leg and tell us it’s rain.


Pawlenty signs bill increasing ethanol content in gasoline
by Laura McCallum, Minnesota Public Radio
May 10, 2005
Minnesota is the first state with a law MANDATING 20-percent ethanol use by the year 2013.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/05/10_ap_ethanol/


10 posted on 09/12/2010 10:48:15 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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T-Paw

Guffaw.

That milquetoast sporting a hiphop handle has to be one of the more comical miscues of recent political theater.

11 posted on 09/12/2010 10:53:27 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Ethanol is crap science. Cease ALL subsidies for ALL fuels and let it fail or succeed on its own merits. We don’t have an oil shortage (except for phony restrictions causing phony shortages) be we do have a problem with food. Let farmers make food, not fuel.


12 posted on 09/12/2010 10:55:38 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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“I used it for a while in my flexfuel Ranger, but it caused problems with moisture in the gas tank, especially in the cooler months. It did seem to have a little more zip though.”

Higher volatility than gasoline but less overall BTU when compared to gasoline thus requiring more to accomplish the same amount of work.


13 posted on 09/12/2010 10:57:45 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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“Pawlenty signs bill increasing ethanol content in gasoline
by Laura McCallum, Minnesota Public Radio
May 10, 2005
Minnesota is the first state with a law MANDATING 20-percent ethanol use by the year 2013.”

Well that’s incredibly stupid. Relatively few engines today are designed to run on anything more than 10% ethanol mixed with gasoline.


14 posted on 09/12/2010 10:59:50 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: SERKIT
Ethanol is crap science. Cease ALL subsidies for ALL fuels and let it fail or succeed on its own merits.

Could just as well apply to any technology the government feels the need to meddle in.

15 posted on 09/12/2010 11:01:36 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 596 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: headstamp 2

Some of the distributors around here have stopped blending any ethanol at all even though the state law requires 2-10%. I’m glad to be finding straight gasoline again!


16 posted on 09/12/2010 11:03:52 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The headline reads, "Demand cools . . . " But in fact, there is not now and never ever was a demand for this gunk. Nobody wanted it in their cars or lawnmowers at all, and most would probably pay more to avoid getting it.
17 posted on 09/12/2010 11:06:28 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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hey i think if they paint that pump some other color than PURPLE

and then

take that decal off the front of it

..you know, ‘the one with the SMILEY FACE ON A DRIPPING PITCHER..........

i think they’d at least FOOL at least some some FOOLS.....

BUT ....as is this idear aint got a snowball’s chance in KUwait....

i yield the balance of my time..


18 posted on 09/12/2010 11:19:02 AM PDT by flat
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Ethanol is a scam, but the hype was strong and most Americans don't really bother to find out what the truth is.

Nice try by the corporate ag lobby, though.....

19 posted on 09/12/2010 11:28:49 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Let them eat lobster cake." Michelle Antoinette, vacation #6.)
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I tried it once on a cross country trip. It cost about the same, caused my truck to lose power, and reduced fuel mileage by a considerable amount.


20 posted on 09/12/2010 11:31:11 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong)
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