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Rupert Murdoch's Paywall Disaster: Readers, Advertisers, Journalists & Publicists All Hate It
TechDirt ^ | September 9, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2010 11:02:33 AM PDT by lbryce

We had already seen the early indications that Rupert Murdoch's paywalls from The Times and The Sunday Times in the UK were a dismal failure, but as more information gets leaked about how the paywalls are working out, it's looking worse and worse. Beyond the fact that not too many people are signing up to pay, the move has upset advertisers who don't want to advertise to such a small audience:

Faced with a collapse in traffic to thetimes.co.uk, some advertisers have simply abandoned the site. Rob Lynam, head of press trading at the media agency MEC, whose clients include Lloyds Banking Group, Orange, Morrisons and Chanel, says, "We are just not advertising on it. If there's no traffic on there, there's no point in advertising on there." Lynam says he has been told by News International insiders that traffic to The Times site has fallen by 90 per cent since the introduction of charges.

On top of that, various PR people and publicists are keeping their sources away from Times reporters, preferring to provide access to news organizations where the story might actually get seen by people, rather than locked up behind Murdoch's paywall:

Publicists have told me that clients are increasingly reluctant to give interviews or stories to The Times, on the grounds that they would not be made freely available via search engines.

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While the print media eventually become obsolete, the New York Times will always have a useful service to provide.


1 posted on 09/09/2010 11:02:36 AM PDT by lbryce
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I used to read the UK Times online, as it was a good source of info that the MSM did not have. Plus, I like the Jeremy Clarkson rants. But when it went pay, I decided to do without.


2 posted on 09/09/2010 11:10:44 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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it is difficult to establish a reliable revenue stream on the web, unless your business entails pornography, gaming or gambling.

looks like a failed effort, but an effort none the less.

at least he tried.

3 posted on 09/09/2010 11:13:09 AM PDT by mmercier
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Screw the paywall, I refuse to pay $400 for the Wall Street Journal delivered! Come on, Murdock! FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS????!!!!!
4 posted on 09/09/2010 11:16:20 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: lbryce
It's very hard to convince people to pay you for something everyone else is giving away for free. You either have to be significantly better (the WSJ falls in this category) or convince everyone else to form a cartel so that all newspapers start charging at once.
5 posted on 09/09/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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Bloggers get the news better anyway, it’s more varied and then the public picks it up and distributes it if it’s important or interesting. FR is better than any magazine or newspaper on the planet.


6 posted on 09/09/2010 11:17:52 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: Deb
Is that what it is now? I would pick it up when they have $99/year for new subscribers and then let it lapse when they wanted to charge me regular price for the next year. I considered alternating years between my home address and work address so that I would always be a "new" subscriber, but it really wasn't worth that much trouble.
7 posted on 09/09/2010 11:19:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: Deb

You can get around the WSJ paywall by using Google. Murdoch has complained mightily about this.


8 posted on 09/09/2010 11:21:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus

Hmmm.


9 posted on 09/09/2010 11:26:23 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Cincinatus

It’s not the case anymore, except for the fact that the WSJ itself provides access to all articles, including the subscriber only links you can’t access directly from the WSJ, by submitting the article’s exact title into the Google News search field.


10 posted on 09/09/2010 11:26:47 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: mmercier
'it is difficult to establish a reliable revenue stream on the web, unless your business entails pornography, gaming or gambling."

Even pornography is going belly-up (no pun intended), for many of the same reasons that plague other media ventures - people can get it for free too easily. Free porn is ubiquitous on the internet, invasive really.

I think in the longer term, this really does bode poorly for the health of the Republic (not the end of porn, but the end of newspapers, print or online). Yes, we all hate the media, but the fact of the matter is without a viable check (or at least what should be a check) on the government, things will spiral even more quickly out of control.

What has been established is the only media form that is (increasingly) viable, is one that is based primarily on news commentary, and not news gathering. Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly will have nothing to talk about, if there are no "news" stories to comment on and either praise or (more frequently) berate. Free Republic will be pretty barren if people are only posting articles from commentators.

FNC makes money hand over fist. This is not because they generate more ad revenue (their ad revenues are only marginally better than CNN or MSNBC), but because they operate so much more cheaply than their competitors. The reduction in cost comes primarily from having fewer bodies and equipment in the field. Let's face it, they do MUCH less reporting and much more commenting.

The country needs reporters. It's too bad not enough people believe it - or won't believe it until it's too late.

11 posted on 09/09/2010 11:28:36 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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except for the fact that the WSJ itself provides access to all articles, including the subscriber only links you can’t access directly from the WSJ, by submitting the article’s exact title into the Google News search field.

You just confirmed what I said -- that you can get to the articles using Google. What am I missing?

12 posted on 09/09/2010 11:29:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus
You can get around the WSJ paywall by using Google. Murdoch has complained mightily about this.

But continues to make it possible. It's easy enough for the WSJ to hide from Google if they want.
13 posted on 09/09/2010 11:32:11 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Perhaps, but until they do, you can read all the articles in WSJ for free.


14 posted on 09/09/2010 11:33:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus

I only added to your right-on comments to provide the specific method in which to gain free access, qualifying that the only way to gain access is if submitted only to Google News, not Google Web Search.


15 posted on 09/09/2010 11:37:33 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: November 2010

Yes, and the reader comments and discussion add more content than the article itself.


16 posted on 09/09/2010 11:40:23 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: lbryce

If Murdoch can’t do it, then no one can do it.


17 posted on 09/09/2010 11:54:11 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I think this is something that the market will take care of. I understand your concern about lack of news gathering. The reality that I see though is that hand held camcorders and phones provide more realistic views of events and stories than the old system did. Internet has provided me with revolutionary information relative to the old NYT,AP,CBS,NBC,ABC regime which was filled with lies and ignored stories. Lies have a hard time surviving in the new age and people are thier own filters and editors through social networking or whatever buzz word you want to apply to links to stories that are of interest.


18 posted on 09/09/2010 12:50:33 PM PDT by November 2010
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To: OldDeckHand

Phrased simply: If there is demand for a product (news) it will be supplied. Supply and demand balance in a market. A way to monetize delivery will be developed. If fact checking is valued a way to monetize fact checking will be developed. Personally, I think each of us is a pretty good fact checker given the wealth of info on the net, and news orgs are biased and terrible fact checkers (thier biases rather than mine are at play).


19 posted on 09/09/2010 12:59:41 PM PDT by November 2010
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To: OldDeckHand
The country needs reporters. It's too bad not enough people believe it - or won't believe it until it's too late.

I'm not sure I follow you on the last. It seems to me that there are reporters everywhere, most armed with camera phones, a lot with video phones, and quite a few with the capability to stream video, with commentary, directly to Facebook, Qik, YouTube, etc. You can post to FR directly from your iPhone or similar.That is a LOT of reporters. Having a designated news reporter to screen the stories begs them publish the stories they like. I would rather talk to, or read about from, someone who was there.

There are entirely too many Dan Rathers around; It appears the model is now changing to a 'From many, one.' We are all reporters.

20 posted on 09/09/2010 2:03:57 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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