Question. Can "We" as citizens call for impeachment of the President and can we do it by ballot?

[jongaltsr]

Question. Can "We" as citizens call for impeachment of the President and can we do it by ballot?

I know the Senate and House have procedures to do so - but - can we as citizens bypass them and demand impeachment by ballot or other more expedient means.

Would love to find someone who is more knowledgeable on the ins and outs of impeachment.

I would love to get your two cents on this subject but meanwhile if there are any constitutional scholars who know of other methods of getting rid of this "dolt", I would love to explore the possibilities.

Thanks "Ya all".

[Truth is a Weapon]

There are only two ways for a citizen to remove a POTUS from office: 1)every 4th year at the ballot box and 2)a method that is legally and morally wrong and will result in death or imprisonment of the citizen.

So if you are looking for an early exit for 0bama, it will take the House of Representatives’ impeaching him for a crime or high misdemeanor and the Senate’s convicting him and removing him from office. Other than that we are looking at the 2012 election.

[jongaltsr]

Actually, as much as I would like to see Obama thrown out on his kiester, imagine what it would be like with elections all the time to remove a president. Bush would have had at least ten such elections during his terms alone.
A president could continue doing business even if there were a impeachment ballot. They would have to meet a 2/3 margin to impeach if I were to use logic?
How do you conduct business with allies under that cloud?
See the above answer.
In Obama’s case, I do believe a careful study of his actions would result in grounds being found to remove him. - and with ease, just not with this congress.
We can’t go around trashing everyone in sight because of what they do, then rubber stamp them when they come up for re-election. It would have to be harder than just a simple majority - a super majority for example.
Arizona voters screwed the whole nation over when they picked McCain this month. With guys like this, you’ll never get rid of an Obama. You can take that to the bank.You said a mouthful in that statement. I voted for JD but MCain outspent him 10 to 1. Money speaks.

[scott7278]

Actually, as much as I would like to see Obama thrown out on his kiester, imagine what it would be like with elections all the time to remove a president. Bush would have had at least ten such elections during his terms alone. How do you conduct business with allies under that cloud?

Excellent point! We would quickly lose our standing in the world, because we would start looking like everyone else. Our stability in government is a tremendous asset.

[jongaltsr]

There are NO alternatives to the Constitutional processes.
Are you a Constitutional Scholar or are you speaking only about the parts of the Constitution that are most commonly know to us all?

[scott7278]

That’s what I don’t understand about some supposed conservatives. I suspect they’re actually more anti-liberal than anything else, which permits them to desire cutting the same corners the liberals do.

Anti-liberal and conservative are NOT the same thing. One can be conservative and anti-liberal, but being anti-liberal alone does not rise to being a conservative.

[jongaltsr]

Your first error is thinking that the citizens elected the President. They did not. Read up on the "Electoral College
Of course I have heard of the Electoral College. I asked specifically for alternatives that were constitutional.
The electoral College would also referee any elections that were constitutional.

[Mad Dawgg]

"So if you are looking for an early exit for 0bama, it will take the House of Representatives’ impeaching him for a crime or high misdemeanor and the Senate’s convicting him and removing him from office. Other than that we are looking at the 2012 election."

And another thing to consider is the wording of the impeachment clause. If impeachment proceedings were brought on the basis Obama can't be President because he is not Eligible is a whole can of worms most have not considered.

First if he is not Eligible to be President then is he actually President? If Not the by wording of the Constitution how can he be impeached?

BUT, he has administered the Office of the President and signed Bills into Law and appointed Judges to the Bench. If he was NOT President when he did so then all of these issues would be null and void!

And that means EVERYTHING including budgets which means any an all money paid out by the government in that time is in effect Null and Void.

Imagine the mess of trying to sort out the financial Mess. The GM issue would be Null and Void. Does everyone have to give back their money including the GM workers?

This is why I think that if the eligibility issue gets Obama tossed out they will still say in essence he WAS President even though he was not eligible! If not then we would be decades undoing that mess!

[scott7278]

Are you a Constitutional Scholar or are you speaking only about the parts of the Constitution that are most commonly know to us all?

What more do you want? If you admit that there are commonly-known parts of the Constitution dealing with the removal of the president, what else are you looking for? There is nothing written in invisible ink.

[jongaltsr]

That’s what I don’t understand about some supposed conservatives. I suspect they’re actually more anti-liberal than anything else, which permits them to desire cutting the same corners the liberals do.
Anti-liberal and conservative are NOT the same thing. One can be conservative and anti-liberal, but being anti-liberal alone does not rise to being a conservative.
Throwing bombs is not the exercise here. I asked for Constitutional alternatives and not Liberal (Socialist) alternatives. GET BACK ON SUBJECT.

[jongaltsr]

There is nothing written in invisible ink
Lets all now state the obvious and not deal with the question! Do you know all of the alternatives provided in the Constitutional and consequential laws regarding such issues?

[HapaxLegamenon]

"We the people"... cannot impeach. What we can do is vote them out, or sit on a grand jury and indict them one by one.

An alternative (possibly dangerous) would be to move your state legislature to petition congress to call a constitutional convention. But once the convention is called, the delegates could do whatever they want.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Of course I have heard of the Electoral College. I asked specifically for alternatives that were constitutional. The electoral College would also referee any elections that were constitutional."

Uh, OK well then maybe you have "heard" of the Electoral College. However, if you want them to "referee any elections that were constitutional" then you need to read up on it because you are apparently mistaken on what the Elector's function is in our form of Government.

Here is a clue for you, We are called "The United STATES of America" not the "United People of America".

We are a Constitutional Republic we rule by Law not by the whim of the people. This is why many keep reciting the old adage about: "Elections have consequences" one of which is that you are stuck with a President for at least 4 years unless he is found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors"...

[jongaltsr]

An alternative (possibly dangerous) would be to move your state legislature to petition congress to call a constitutional convention. But once the convention is called, the delegates could do whatever they want.
Finally.......
A person with the sense to answer (?) the question. Maybe we can by having our States succeed or threaten to, or demand a constitutional convention to be used to shake up congress.

[tx_eggman]

Are you a Constitutional Scholar

I'm someone who has read the Constitution many times

or are you speaking only about the parts of the Constitution that are most commonly know to us all?

Apparently I'm speaking to someone who's not the sharpest pencil in the box.

The Constitution clearly spells out the process and requirements for impeachment:

Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article I, Section 3:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishment, according to Law.

Got it ... these are the requirements in the Constitutional Republic we know as The United States of America.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like it, don't understand it or don't approve.

Now go away.

[Noob1999]

WHICH REMINDSS ME!

Does anyone know whether a state, or a county, has made any new laws about showing the “officials” the credentials of the individuals on the ballot under their jurisdiction??

We need to have this teed up at the midterm ballot box to preclude a non birth certificate poseur from ever being elected again!

[jongaltsr]

Here is a clue for you, We are called "The United STATES of America" not the "United People of America". We are a Constitutional Republic we rule by Law not by the whim of the people. This is why many keep reciting the old adage about: "Elections have consequences" one of which is that you are stuck with a President for at least 4 years unless he is found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors"..
Here we go again. Again with the Throwing bombs and not answering the core question.
I keep saying (legal/constitutional) ideas not something completely out of left field as you infer. I am not a constitutional authority and obviously neither are you. If you can't deal with the original question AS WRITTEN then go throw your bombs elsewhere.

[tx_eggman]

A person with the sense to answer (?) the question. Maybe we can by having our States succeed or threaten to, or demand a constitutional convention to be used to shake up congress.

OK, I'm going to say it now .. and I don't do so lightly.

I move that jongaltsr be recognized as a freakin' idiot.

All in favor say "aye"

[Mad Dawgg]

"Maybe we can by having our States succeed or threaten to, or demand a constitutional convention to be used to shake up congress."

Yeah OK first a Constitutional Convention was proposed upthread AND as shown it would literally take years if not decades which by then Obama would be long gone from office.

Second you will find succession has been tried before. It became a bit messy. And it would still take years. Oh and the last time States succeeded from the Union over a President who they wanted out of office he was reelected. Further IF the states had not succeeded he might not have been reelected but because the Electors of those states didn't submit their votes the President won easily.

[jongaltsr]

OK Smarty pants. Do you know all of Constitutional Law. I admit that I do not. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one TV. I am trying to get people to think beyond what is obvious and to pick the minds of people who know the law.

OK now just go throw your bombs (Jerk)

My bomb to you.

[jongaltsr]

...and the horse you rode in on.

You want to make it personal and like to degrade others - Fine.

We know your type.