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Housing Numbers - Are They Being Cooked?
The Market Ticker ^ | 9-1-2010 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 09/02/2010 7:11:59 AM PDT by blam

Housing Numbers - Are They Being Cooked?

September 1,2010
The Market Ticker
Karl Denninger

I have a very disturbing email that came in this evening.

It alleges out-and-out fraudulent reporting of home sales in one of the regional MLS systems.

That is, prices paid that are in fact much lower than the "sold" prices reported in the MLS.

The person in question claims to have seen over 100 of these in his area. I have copies of two, and it appears, from the evidence that I have, that at least for those two the claim is accurate.

One in particular I was able to pull the auction data on. It "sold" under reserve, is listed as sold in the MLS at ~25% higher than the "sold" bid, and the premium is disclosed as 5%. This property also has a 90-day "anti-flip" provision on it, implying that the paper may be held by one of the GSEs. (It's a nice-looking place, incidentally.)

Here's the problem, obviously - Case-Schiller and other "home statistics" numbers related to price paid are all computed off these numbers provided by the local Realty boards (via NAR.) If the data in the MLS is bogus then so is the so-called "median sales price" and so are Case-Schiller's numbers!

These are not small discrepancies either - in both cases the "over-reporting" is by approximately 25%!

Both subject properties sent to me were auctions.

I am going to dig into this - if this can be verified and is happening nationally the claims of recent price stabilization are utter crap, and the first obvious question that arises is "how far back does this go?"

It also raises a key question when it comes to BPOs, not only from a standpoint of bank valuations (e.g. "drive-bys") but additionally if you're buying a house and your agent is showing you comparable sales predicated on faulty MLS data you are going to be induced to RADICALLY overpay.

For the time being I would verify any claimed "sold" prices with the county recorder before believing any alleged "sold" prices you're being fed as comparables.

This might be an anomaly, an "isolated incident", or it may not be what it appears to be, but with a 25% disparity we're not talking small potatoes if this is accurate.

I'll post follow-up Tickers on this as I learn more.....


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KEYWORDS: caseshiller; denninger; fraud; housing; mls; ticker
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1 posted on 09/02/2010 7:12:03 AM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 09/02/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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3 posted on 09/02/2010 7:17:49 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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4 posted on 09/02/2010 7:17:49 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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The question needs to be asked a bit differently...

Any chance that with all the numbers being cooked, that housing is not cooked?

From unemployment numbers, "saved" jobs, stock manipulation, gold prices, we can surmise that ALL the numbers have been and are being "cooked". By hook or crook, they are cooked.

5 posted on 09/02/2010 7:19:33 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: publana

Sorry for triple post. Have not got the hang of posting from my phone.


6 posted on 09/02/2010 7:20:40 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: publana

Sorry for triple post. Have not got the hang of posting from my phone.


7 posted on 09/02/2010 7:20:42 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: publana

Sorry for triple post. Have not got the hang of posting from my phone.


8 posted on 09/02/2010 7:20:42 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: blam
Realtors are required to report accurate information withing 48 hours to the MLS. In the case of an auction sale it might have been the high bidder was unable to actually buy the home, and the sale when to a lower backup bidder. Other than that I don't know what could have happened.

You are right about the R.E. market being controlled though. It is being done by the banks in how quickly they foreclose on homes to restrict the number on the market at any one time. If they processed them all at a consistent rate things would be worse than they are.

9 posted on 09/02/2010 7:21:48 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Islam is using religion like a Trojan Horse against us.)
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To: blam

Cooked?

Deep fried and barbecued!................


10 posted on 09/02/2010 7:23:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: publana

Tripple sorry post too........


11 posted on 09/02/2010 7:23:39 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: blam

IMO, you need to relax a bit.

Information on individual sales in input by the LISTING BROKER....not the Board of Directors of the local MLS system.

Furthermore, when a seller or bank contributes a percentage of the Sales Contract price back to the buyer for buyer closing costs, that reduces the actual “net proceeds” to the Seller. But transfer taxes, etc., are paid on the Gross Sales Price.

New FHA guidelines establish that sellers which are NOT chartered banks must wait a minimum number of days BEFORE they can re-sell (flip) the property.


12 posted on 09/02/2010 7:23:42 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: C210N
This, just in:

Pending Home Sales Beat Expectations

" Pending home sales rose 5.2% in July, vs. 0.0% expected, according to the National Association of Realtors.

13 posted on 09/02/2010 7:24:02 AM PDT by blam
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This is an easy fix. Monitor what the recorded sale price was at the County recorders office.
14 posted on 09/02/2010 7:24:16 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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This one will prrobably do it too. I’m cluelessas to the reason.


15 posted on 09/02/2010 7:28:05 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: roaddog727

This one will prrobably do it too. I’m cluelessas to the reason.


16 posted on 09/02/2010 7:28:05 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: DCPatriot
"IMO, you need to relax a bit."

If I relaxed any more, I'd be taking another nap, lol.

17 posted on 09/02/2010 7:32:35 AM PDT by blam
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are the guys who own the MLS software- democrat donors?


18 posted on 09/02/2010 7:33:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: publana

Clueless or not, you are improving.


19 posted on 09/02/2010 7:34:43 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: blam
Why Is the Value of MBS Held by FDIC Insured Banks Going Up?
20 posted on 09/02/2010 7:41:19 AM PDT by blam
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