Posted on 08/31/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by Nachum
Move the mosque!
Seven in ten New Yorkers say the proposed mosque/Islamic community center near Ground Zero should be relocated because of opposition from 9/11 families — and an equal number want state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to probe the group’s finances, a new statewide poll released today found.
“Overwhelmingly — across party and regional lines — New Yorkers say the sponsors ought to voluntarily move the proposed mosque to another location,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
The survey of 1,497 of New York residents found:
* 54 percent agree that “freedom of religion” gives Muslims the legal right to build the mosque on Park Place, while 40 percent disagreed and the rest were undecided.
* But 53 percent also said Muslim developers should not be allowed to build the mosque near the World Trade Center site in deference to sensitivities of 9/11 relatives, with 39 percent opposed and the rest undecided.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
There is no guarantee in the Constitution that anyone can build anything they want anywhere they want. As the churches and synagogues that have been denied building permits over the years know all too well. I recall one contretemps wherein it was the traffic that annoyed the community.
As I read the Constitution, I see that we all have Property Rights and those Property Rights and not simply limited to those who the majority wish to hold Property Rights.
In other words, the Constitution is not a cafeteria where only some people are protected by the Bill of Rights and each of us can choose which amendments the government must comply.
“As the churches and synagogues that have been denied building permits over the years know all too well.”
Oh, so you advocate a community’s right to prohibit a church from being build?
PS The Constitution is a wonderful, founding document but not intended to be used as an across-the-board sledgehammer in minor matters.
“Oh, so you advocate a community’s right to prohibit a church from being build?”
A church or any other thing in any particular spot? Damn right. They have that right and have been exercising it since the dawn of this nation. Seem this Death Cult gets some sort of PC pass in too many PC minds. There are a hundred Mosques in NYC but this Mosque will not be allowed. Bet on it.
“The Constitution is a wonderful, founding document but not intended to be used as an across-the-board sledgehammer in minor matters.”
See: Equal Protection Clause
And, who would you like to decide which Constitutional provisions are minor and which are major?
Freedom of Speech- Major or Minor?
Right to Bear Arms-Major or Minor?
Property Rights-Major or Minor?
Equal Protection-Major of Minor?
Is this a great country, or what?
Under what law would you prohibit the mosque from being build?
No worries man-—like I said we will build that Major Freedom Mosque right next door to your place under Major Equal Protection. Have no fear though because you have the Major right to bear arms too. When the call for Muslim prayers rings out loud and clear over your roof 5x a day just remember they are practicing their right of Major Freedom of speech. Now lets get cranking on that groundbreaking foundation next door. Oh, and by the way, the leftist Supremes gave us Major ‘Eminent free domain’ so we can kick your neighbors out of their house to make room for the Major Freedom Mosque!
My entire point is, I don't want collections taken up at these gathering places to be funneled to terrorist organizations. I don't want terrorists’ rhetoric recruiting vulnerable young men and women who feel all the angst of youth. I don't want Sharia Law replacing what we have. I don't want women to be denigrated by misogynistic beliefs, or little girls bodies mutilated.
So long as they can preach love of God and Country, Home and Family, tolerance and peace — then they are as welcome to preach it as any Christian, Jew or Ethicist I can think of. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.
You have touched the significance. It has been my thoughts that Islam mosques are not just a ‘religeous’ facility. Islam worship, as I understand, embodies the whole of Islamic belief as given in the Koran. The Koran is certainly more than the usual dogma of American main stream religions. It presribes government along with penalties for violation of that government. It has it’s seperate code of civil obedience. How many ‘churches’ in this Nation have had their tax status challenged for going beyond their ‘religion’? I also believe a high rise mosque is symbolic for Islam as above the infidels. Perhaps we and other western nations will have to relive the 15th century all over again.
Under what law? The one or ones that have been barring what communities don’t want since time immemorial. That one. It’s time the muzzies learned you can’t have everything you want.
I am not one of those Conservatives who calls himself a Constitutionalist, but only when the Constitution states something that I like.
Nor am I one of those Conservatives who calls himself a Constitutionalist, but believes that only Americans of a gender, race, ethnicity or religion should be protected by the Constitution.
Instead, I am a Conservative who understands that the Constitution applies to everybody and everybody equally.
And I have lived across the street from a mosque while I was in college, around the corner from a mosque when I lived in NYC and a few blocks from a mosque when I worked in the Middle East.
If they were to build a mosque next door to my home, the people at the mosque would have to contend with the Israeli Flag that my daughter loves to fly in front of our house.
See: Property Rights
Could you please be more specific as I could not find "The one or ones that have been barring what communities don’t want since time immemorial. That one." listed in The Charter, Administrative Code, and Rules of the City of New York.
You should have stopped at “I am not one of those Conservatives”. At least you would have been telling the truth.
Until this issue, I always believed it was the liberals who saw the Constitution as a Cafeteria where one could ignore the Second Amendment while and choose the First Amendment.
However, there seem to be many Cafeteria Conservatives who do not want to have Equal Protection or Property Rights.
As for me, I accept the entire Constitution and do not pick and choose who is and who is not protected by the Constitution.
Look harder. The rules don't change for the Godless cult. NY of ALL places knows how to stop a thing, LEGALLY when they WANT to. NYC stops or micromanages more than it leaves alone or allows. The fact that you don't know how they do it is a shortcoming of yours. Study a little harder is all I can advise. I'll give you a key word: ‘Bureaucracy’ I don't recall any constitutional problems in my 51 years of seeing NYC do as it damn well pleases.
We should all cut to the chase and put up some money on the outcome of this thing, get a big pot going. I honestly believe the Mosque is doomed.
I’m not advocating that the mosque be built, but rather saying that they have the right to sonar they wish on the property that they own.
Now, if you can find a specific law that would prevent they mosque from being build, I would like to hear about it.
However, we as a nation cannot only protect the constitutional rights of only certain people.
I know a few off hand.
Barry Obama
Pelosi
Bloomberg
Ron Paul
Charlie Rangel
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