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"WHAT IS A VIETNAM VETERAN?"
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Posted on 08/28/2010 6:47:31 PM PDT by SLB

A college student posted a request on an internet newsgroup asking for personal narratives from the likes of us addressing the question: "What is a Vietnam Veteran?" This is what I wrote back:

Vietnam veterans are men and women. We are dead or alive, whole or maimed, sane or haunted. We grew from our experiences or we were destroyed by them or we struggle to find some place in between. We lived through hell or we had a pleasant, if scary, adventure. We were Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Red Cross, and civilians of all sorts. Some of us enlisted to fight for God and Country, and some were drafted. Some were gung-ho, and some went kicking and screaming.

Like veterans of all wars, we lived a tad bit--or a great bit--closer to death than most people like to think about. If Vietnam vets differ from others, perhaps it is primarily in the fact that many of us never saw the enemy or recognized him or her. We heard gunfire and mortar fire but rarely looked into enemy eyes. Those who did, like folks who encounter close combat anywhere and anytime, are often haunted for life by those eyes, those sounds, those electric fears that ran between ourselves, our enemies, and the likelihood of death for one of us. Or we get hard, calloused, tough. All in a day's work. Life's a bitch then you die. But most of us remember and get twitchy, worried, sad.

We are crazies dressed in cammo, wide-eyed, wary, homeless, and drunk. We are Brooks Brothers suit wearers, doing deals downtown. We are housewives, grandmothers, and church deacons. We are college professors engaged in the rational pursuit of the truth about the history or politics or culture of the Vietnam experience. And we are sleepless. Often sleepless.

We pushed paper; we pushed shovels. We drove jeeps, operated bulldozers, built bridges; we toted machine guns through dense brush, deep paddy, and thorn scrub. We lived on buffalo milk, fish heads and rice. Or C-rations. Or steaks and Budweiser. We did our time in high mountains drenched by endless monsoon rains or on the dry plains or on muddy rivers or at the most beautiful beaches in the world.

We wore berets, bandanas, flop hats, and steel pots. Flak jackets, canvas, rash and rot. We ate cloroquine and got malaria anyway. We got shots constantly but have diseases nobody can diagnose. We spent our nights on cots or shivering in foxholes filled with waist-high water or lying still on cold wet ground, our eyes imagining Charlie behind every bamboo blade. Or we slept in hotel beds in Saigon or barracks in Thailand or in cramped ships' berths at sea.

We feared we would die or we feared we would kill. We simply feared, and often we still do. We hate the war or believe it was the best thing that ever happened to us. We blame Uncle Sam or Uncle Ho and their minions and secretaries and apologists for every wart or cough or tic of an eye. We wonder if Agent Orange got us.

Mostly--and this I believe with all my heart--mostly, we wish we had not been so alone. Some of us went with units; but many, probably most of us, were civilians one day, jerked up out of "the world," shaved, barked at, insulted, humiliated, de-egoized and taught to kill, to fix radios, to drive trucks. We went, put in our time, and were equally ungraciously plucked out of the morass and placed back in the real world. But now we smoked dope, shot skag, or drank heavily. Our wives or husbands seemed distant and strange. Our friends wanted to know if we shot anybody.

And life went on, had been going on, as if we hadn't been there, as if Vietnam was a topic of political conversation or college protest or news copy, not a matter of life and death for tens of thousands.

Vietnam vets are people just like you. We served our country, proudly or reluctantly or ambivalently. What makes us different--what makes us Vietnam vets--is something we understand, but we are afraid nobody else will. But we appreciate your asking.

Vietnam veterans are white, black, beige and shades of gray; but in comparison with our numbers in the "real world," we were more likely black. Our ancestors came from Africa, from Europe, and China. Or they crossed the Bering Sea Land Bridge in the last Ice Age and formed the nations of American Indians, built pyramids in Mexico, or farmed acres of corn on the banks of Chesapeake Bay. We had names like Rodriguez and Stein and Smith and Kowalski. We were Americans, Australians, Canadians, and Koreans; most Vietnam veterans are Vietnamese.

We were farmers, students, mechanics, steelworkers, nurses, and priests when the call came that changed us all forever. We had dreams and plans, and they all had to change...or wait. We were daughters and sons, lovers and poets, beatniks and philosophers, convicts and lawyers. We were rich and poor but mostly poor. We were educated or not, mostly not. We grew up in slums, in shacks, in duplexes, and bungalows and houseboats and hooches and ranchers. We were cowards and heroes. Sometimes we were cowards one moment and heroes the next.

Many of us have never seen Vietnam. We waited at home for those we loved. And for some of us, our worst fears were realized. For others, our loved ones came back but never would be the same.

We came home and marched in protest marches, sucked in tear gas, and shrieked our anger and horror for all to hear. Or we sat alone in small rooms, in VA hospital wards, in places where only the crazy ever go. We are Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, and Confucians and Buddhists and Atheists--though as usually is the case, even the atheists among us sometimes prayed to get out of there alive.

We are hungry, and we are sated, full of life or clinging to death. We are injured, and we are curers, despairing and hopeful, loved or lost. We got too old too quickly, but some of us have never grown up. We want, desparately, to go back, to heal wounds, revisit the sites of our horror. Or we want never to see that place again, to bury it, its memories, its meaning. We want to forget, and we wish we could remember.

Despite our differences, we have so much in common. There are few of us who don't know how to cry, though we often do it alone when nobody will ask "what's wrong?" We're afraid we might have to answer.

Adam, if you want to know what a Vietnam veteran is, get in your car next weekend or cage a friend with a car to drive you. Go to Washington. Go to the Wall. It's going to be Veterans Day weekend. There will be hundreds there...no, thousands. Watch them. Listen to them. I'll be there. Come touch the Wall with us. Rejoice a bit. Cry a bit. No, cry a lot. I will. I'm a Vietnam Veteran; and, after 30 years, I think I am beginning to understand what that means.


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To: SLB

You nailed it, SLB, eloquently...


61 posted on 08/29/2010 2:16:48 AM PDT by logos (I have enough ammo to get more.)
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To: dagogo redux

“never really felt the right to call myself a Vietnam Vet without having been in country.”

Same here, even though we ferried the first helicopters and troops, back in 1962. When Princeton was relieved, we circled Okinawa for three days - Hanoi or home. To this day, I regret that we came home.

I might not have survived, but so many others might have. Especially USMC Corporal (E-4)Larry King KIA Quang Tin, South Vietnam Sept 28, 1965. Friend, classmate and hero.


62 posted on 08/29/2010 3:35:40 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Windflier
Here's some reference material for you.

Vietnam Studies U.S. Army Special Forces 1961-1971

Special Forces (United States Army)-Wiki page

You said you were stationed in Oki, so I'm thinking that he was part of 1st Gp. 5th Gp also made a up a large contingent of the mission in the RVN.

63 posted on 08/29/2010 4:36:21 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: brushcop

I’d have to find HIM first....he hasn’t cared to find me since I was a child. Frankly, I just don’t care.


64 posted on 08/29/2010 7:51:32 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: ansel12

>>“Vietnam veterans likely die from suicide at about the same rate and for the same reasons that everyone else in America does.”<<

Aw shucks, here I was all these years thinking that my Nam buddies and I were something special because we hadn’t used a .45 to aerate our skulls. What a tremendous letdown!


65 posted on 08/29/2010 8:25:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: dagogo redux
After our recent disagreements, your post means a lot to me. Let’s stay on good terms - we’re on the same side in this thing. :)

Dag, at the end of the day, all conservatives are my brethren, no matter how snarling our disagreements get.

That's the beauty of being a conservative. We're free to make our own observations, and draw our own conclusions, regardless of what others think. Unlike liberals, we march completely out of step.

Thanks again.

66 posted on 08/29/2010 9:36:55 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sarajevo
You said you were stationed in Oki, so I'm thinking that he was part of 1st Gp.

Just got off the phone with my dad, and he tells me that he was with the 1st Group. He says he did three tours in Vietnam. '64 through '66, '69, and '70. He was also with a command(?) called MACV.

He's going to send me a detailed breakdown of all of his assignments during his Nam years. Today was the first time I ever asked him directly about where he was and what he did during Nam. He was happy to share with me, which was surprising to me, as he's never talked much about it in the past.

Thanks for the links.

67 posted on 08/29/2010 10:22:54 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mom4melody

You know, it may well be that he was afraid to find out what kind of father he could be or just plain afraid. I left my son and his mother not long after he was born and for a long while only saw him during the summers. Then came a period when I didn’t see him much at all. I had no excuse for it, but I was afraid, I think, of the responsibility and the commitment. He was born after I came home from RVN. Later, at about the time of his (first) marriage, I did go back and we reconciled. But we both made the effort and it worked. It could work for you, but only after you really think about it a lot!


68 posted on 08/29/2010 2:03:42 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: mom4melody

You know, it may well be that he was afraid to find out what kind of father he could be or just plain afraid. I left my son and his mother not long after he was born and for a long while only saw him during the summers. Then came a period when I didn’t see him much at all. I had no excuse for it, but I was afraid, I think, of the responsibility and the commitment. He was born after I came home from RVN. Later, at about the time of his (first) marriage, I did go back and we reconciled. But we both made the effort and it worked. It could work for you, but only after you really think about it a lot!


69 posted on 08/29/2010 2:03:59 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Windflier

MACV [or MAC(V)] was the top echelon of command in Vietnam, General Westmoreland’s HQ. Military Assistance Command (Vietnam).


70 posted on 08/29/2010 2:05:55 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

No, this dillhead cares for no one but himself. I was 6 when he left for Vietnam. He and my bio mother had split in ‘61 and left me in foster care. The military has nothing to do with it.

He doesn’t have PTSD, he’s got BAJDAJ (born a jerk, die a jerk).

The way I see, if you’re man enough to stick it in, you better be man enough to take care of what comes out. As for being “afraid”???? Are you kidding me? Sounds like an excuse to escape responsibility to me. Not buying.


71 posted on 08/29/2010 2:11:57 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: SLB

Thank you. This is especially meaningful after the tribute to our Military at the Lincoln Memorial yesterday.


72 posted on 08/29/2010 2:15:56 PM PDT by GoldwaterChick (We Snowflakes will always remember our beloved Snowman with the incandescent smile.)
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To: SLB
We are crazies dressed in cammo, wide-eyed, wary, homeless, and drunk.
Quite a number of those folks never spent a day in the service, let alone Vietnam.
73 posted on 08/29/2010 2:27:42 PM PDT by Bob
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To: mom4melody

I guess he was evading responsibility. Sorry to hear that. I know I was acting like a jerk a lot, but I did see him when I could, living on opposite coasts, and I never did try to avoid paying the child support, but those were a far cry from being there and being a FATHER to him. But, as I say, we reconciled and now he wants me to move closer to him, if and when I can... and I am sure thinking seriously about it!


74 posted on 08/29/2010 4:09:17 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc
MACV [or MAC(V)] was the top echelon of command in Vietnam, General Westmoreland’s HQ. Military Assistance Command (Vietnam).

Hmmm.....that's interesting. I'll have to ask Dad what he did there. He may have been a Lt. Col. by the time he was assigned there. I'll have to pick his brain a bit more about that.

75 posted on 08/29/2010 7:28:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SLB

This M48A3 tank commander and Mech Inf squad leader with the 1st Bde of the 5th Mech Inf Div (Northern I Corp, Quang Tri Province) appreciates this post and thanks you very much. Welcome home brother!!!


76 posted on 08/29/2010 10:42:33 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Windflier
Will you do me a favor and tell your dad thanks for me? He fought for freedom, he fought for his country ... he fought for my country ... he fought for me. Please thank him for me.

You might also thank him from me for raising one of the best FReepers here. I enjoy your posts, windflier.

77 posted on 08/29/2010 11:22:30 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
Will you do me a favor and tell your dad thanks for me? He fought for freedom, he fought for his country ... he fought for my country ... he fought for me.

You bet, Finny. I'll be sure to pass along your appreciation to him.

You might also thank him from me for raising one of the best FReepers here.

Aw geeeze, yer makin' me blush. Thank you.

78 posted on 08/30/2010 5:33:59 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; SLB; Bob; dagogo redux; dcwusmc; B4Ranch

This thread reminded me of this speech I read recently, and shared with my kids. A speech by a TRUE American. And dedicated to Vietnam Vets. Thank you for your service.

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This Saturday the 24th at 6:30 PM, the town of Prescott Valley, AZ will be hosting a Freedom Rally. I was asked to speak for 10 minutes on my experience of coming to America and what it means.

I wrote this in dedication to all Vietnam Veterans and I feel that it is important for me to share it with you prior to the Saturday event. Here it is and God Bless you my friend.


35 years ago, if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking to a couple thousand patriots, in English, I’d laugh at you. Man, every morning I wake up thanking God for putting me and my family in the greatest country on earth.

I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese American, but I rather speak to you as an American.

If you hadn’t noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people.

I am a proud US citizen and here is my proof… It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it and I am very proud of it. Guess what, I did legally and it ain’t from the state of Hawaii.

I still remember the images of the Tet offensive in 1968, I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6 year old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can’t even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf.

35 years ago, I left south Vietnam for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the US. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God.

If you haven’t heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth. I am telling you that right now. It is the freedom and the opportunities presented it to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I cannot make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see… All you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunity and here I am. This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one way ticket out of here. And if you didn’t know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aiming at your head. That was my experience.

In 1982, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the pledge of allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can’t remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life.

Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life, I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In someway and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I am here.

One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I don’t know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam. He smiled and said Yes. I shook and held his hand. The grown man began to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked. This was a profound moment in life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back.

You see… America is not place on the map, it isn’t a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must buy into this concept and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom… and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here. Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can’t speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages… Last I looked on the internet, there wasn’t a Vietnamese translation of the US constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It’s not easy, but if it’s too easy, it’s not worth doing.

Before I know this 46 page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders.

At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. …. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and liberty I have today. I now ask All veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your services and may God bless you all.

Quang Nguyen
Creative Director/Founder
Caddis Advertising, LLC


79 posted on 09/07/2010 11:28:09 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve; SLB

Thanks. I’m glad I did my tours but I wouldn’t do them again for $1 million bucks.


80 posted on 09/07/2010 11:54:14 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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