Isn't this Hinduism?
Nope, just stupid wishful thinking.
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Posted on 08/27/2010 12:43:16 PM PDT by tefis
FALSANI: Do you believe in sin?
OBAMA: Yes.
FALSANI: What is sin?
OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.
WHAT? - Where would anyone get that from?
WHAT? - Where would anyone get that from?
Genesis 3:5
Isn't this Hinduism?
Nope, just stupid wishful thinking.
Here’s the way it usually goes with a “liberal Christian”:
“I’m a Christian, but I believe there are many ways to God”
“Oh really - how about what Jesus said in John 14:6?”
“Oh, he didn’t say that, or he didn’t mean it that way”
“Really? It’s pretty clearly written, no room for misinterpretation there.”
“Well, that was written by men who had an agenda.”
“You’re saying the bible is not authoritative?”
“Some parts are. Others are not.”
“Really? So you decide which parts are true and which parts you can ignore?”
“Yes”
So his hatred of talk radio and Fox News goes way back.
My thoughts exactly. Not once did he say Jesus is the Son of God,. In fact he calls him an historical figure, just as a Muslim would.
In fairness to him, I think he meant Falsani to assume that he holds values that represent the right thing to do and when he does wrong/sins, he is violating his values. We’d say the same thing about a rightly formed conscience—any sin involves going against what one knows to be right.
I think he probably was “converted” to liberal Protestant “Christianity” in Jeremiah Wright’s church. That means he is uncomfortable talking about personal sin, much more at home with “social sin” of the Other Guy/Group. And he probably does sincerely believe that one can be a Christian and also believe roads to heaven outside Christ exist.
He’s both a Muslim in some sense and a liberal Christian.
I would say that liberal Christians of the sort he and Wright represent are no longer Christian in any meaningful way. I think he joined Wright’s church largely as a way to solidify his standing in the “communities” he was “organizing.” I think in some sense he probably really thinks he really did “get saved”—in the liberal/activist manner. He knows enough about more traditionally evangelical Black Christians to know the altar call language and personal savior language and to know he needs to mouth it. I think his political activism and Wright’s liberation theology transferral of sin to “social injustic” gave him a way to transfer that evangelical language to a different register.
I think he’s one confused kid with regard to religion (and with regard to his own identity), as a result of his messed-up upbringing. We see incompatibility between his Alinskyism and his Muslimism and his “Christianity.”
I’m not sure he even sees that there’s a problem.
But no, he’s not Christian in any sense I recognize as valid. But there are a lot of people out there in liberal mainline churches whose understanding of Christianity is about the same as his. FOr them, he can be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time.
Most liberal, mainline Protestant “Christians” avoid that sort of language too. He’s a Christian in the same deracinated way they are. Which means, he’s not really much of a Christian, but he has a lot of company.
(He laughs nervously)
OBAMA: Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
“Historical figure..bridge..teacher.”
That's the clincher. Christianity is defined by belief that Jesus is the Son of God, the Redeemer and Messiah prophesied since Adam. Obama cannot say that when asked directly. Therefore, he is, by his own inability to confess the belief, NOT a Christian.
He is also caught in a direct lie when he says his mother was a Christian. She specifically denied she was a Christian, according to her closest friend, who said she was outspokenly agnostic all of her life. Her daughter said, “We were all Muslims in our family. We hardly knew anyone who was not Muslim.” That has to include both BHO and mummy.
bttt
And then Obama goes on and on, not talking at all about what being a Christian means.
ZerO isn't a Christian, he just plays one on TV - and not very well.
Obama consistently opposes those who have been born again in Christ. How, then, can he call himself Christian?
His brand of Christianity has nothing to do with Christ or His teachings.It is impossible to be a Christian with a “heavy dose of doubt.”
bttt
I’m convinced he’s a muslim, and have thought that since before his inauguration. No birthday presents for the family, no Christmas celebration or presents, no church attendance on Easter, active support of muslim causes, failure to address muslim terrorism . . . The list is endless.
He is also caught in a direct lie when he says his mother was a Christian. She specifically denied she was a Christian, according to her closest friend, who said she was outspokenly agnostic all of her life. Her daughter said, “We were all Muslims in our family. We hardly knew anyone who was not Muslim.” That has to include both BHO and mummy.
Curious...
You put his sister’s comments in quotes. Just wondering, do you have a source?
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