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How to leave comments to EPA about possible ban of Lead Bullets (FREEP the USEPA!)
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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:43:54 AM PDT by JohnKinAK

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To: Persevero
why it would necessarily be a bad thing to make bullets out of something other than lead. How would that harm us?

It doesn't really matter whether or not it is a good thing or a bad thing, nor whether or not it "harms us" for an unelected and unaccountable government bureaucracy to dictate what materials can be used for a constitutionally protected activity.

If there were a metal better suited for ammo in terms of metallurgic properties, costs, maintainability, etc. than lead then the marketplace would have already moved to that alternative metal. There are rounds available made with steel, brass, brass-jacketed lead, and other materials. In the current market and with its current level of relative freedom for market participants to willingly engage as they see fit, lead is still the best ammo out there. Whenever freedom is restricted and government authority is usurped and expanded, that is a BAD THING, regardless of whether or not it directly "harms us".

41 posted on 08/27/2010 1:04:11 PM PDT by VRWCmember ("All men make mistakes ... married men find out about them sooner" - Red Skelton)
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To: Eagles6

OK, how about very deadly at short range and very quiet.


42 posted on 08/27/2010 1:04:37 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: WellyP

Yep, they are that. Definitely wouldn’t want to get shot by one.


43 posted on 08/27/2010 1:08:13 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Ban lead bullets as “toxic”, ban non-lead bullets as “armor-piercing cop-killers”

Sounds like their plan to me.


44 posted on 08/27/2010 1:09:31 PM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: JohnKinAK
Raise your hands is you have ever closed a lead split-shot fishing weight with your teeth. Never mind raising your hand, because certainly you must be dead already.
45 posted on 08/27/2010 1:17:57 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: WellyP

High-power crossbow: 320fps, maybe 400 grain bolt, about 125 Joules of kinetic energy

Average 30.06: 2,600fps, about 200 grain bullet, about 4,000 J

Even a .22 LR: 1,750 fps, about 30 grain bullet, about 280 J

You’re literally down around a .22 Short in terms of kinetic energy.

Power, or more accurately energy, goes up linearly with mass, but squared with velocity. Crossbows are cool and silent, but they can’t pack the punch due to a much lower velocity. You can just pack vastly more potential chemical energy in a smaller space than you can mechanical.


46 posted on 08/27/2010 1:25:11 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: NavyCanDo
Raise your hands is you have ever closed a lead split-shot fishing weight with your teeth.

You know, I've heard they came out with these newfangled things called pliers for that. I'll have to try them one of these days.

47 posted on 08/27/2010 1:26:48 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Rockhound
We use pure lead because it is soft enough to form to the rifling.

Gold is softer than lead, and denser. How much money you got?

48 posted on 08/27/2010 1:31:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Persevero
I am wondering why it would necessarily be a bad thing to make bullets out of something other than lead. How would that harm us?

Cost. Any other material that could be used for the core of bullets is far too expensive and too hard to work with to be practical. It would also require a huge amount of research on the part of bullet manufacturers to come up with new manufacturing methods as well as ballistics calculations.

Reloaders and small bullet makers would be devastated. I shoot benchrest and the sport is dominated by small, low volume custom bullet makers. Every one of them would be out of business. Large volume bullet makers, such as Sierra and Hornady just can't keep their tolerances up to the standards we require.

49 posted on 08/27/2010 1:33:13 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Standing firm, hold your ground, November is the only chance I see right now. God help us.


50 posted on 08/27/2010 1:33:22 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: VRWCmember

I think you just described their plan perfectly. Thanks.


51 posted on 08/27/2010 1:33:41 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: JohnKinAK

De Fund the EPA!


52 posted on 08/27/2010 1:34:12 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: Abathar

It is time we tried to get on their watch lists. It is time to defend ourselves. It is time.


53 posted on 08/27/2010 1:34:35 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: JohnKinAK

I am thinking that may not have been a good message to leave 8-X


54 posted on 08/27/2010 1:36:56 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: TexasTransplant
To me, EPA stands for my right to protect the environment of my home, for me and mine. I'll use lead pellets if I want to.


55 posted on 08/27/2010 1:38:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: Persevero

>I am 100% for gun rights, so don’t flame me, but I am wondering why it would necessarily be a bad thing to make bullets out of something other than lead. How would that harm us?<

I agree 100% - but with this blood sucking administration and their preponderance to destroy the RTKBA They will come up with anything to make the cost more costly than it needs to be. It will end up another way to keep people from buying ammunition that would be cost prohibitive.

I wouldn’t give them any more reason to make “change” for us.

Now as they are blood suckers, we may need silver bullets soon anyway .. but that can be in another thread


56 posted on 08/27/2010 1:41:25 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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57 posted on 08/27/2010 1:42:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: MHGinTN

Cool Cartoon!


58 posted on 08/27/2010 1:42:24 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

* There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.

* Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the 50 state wildlife agencies.

* A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.

* A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.

* Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.


59 posted on 08/27/2010 1:43:40 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: MrB
the BATFes have already stated that any bullet made out of other metals is “armor piercing” and thus is outlawed

Mmm, I don't think so.

60 posted on 08/27/2010 1:50:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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