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1 posted on 08/26/2010 3:38:47 PM PDT by agee
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I will give them all of mine if they think they are man enough to get it.............one magazine at a time.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 3:40:00 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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The EPA wants to ban lead fishing weights also.

One day this crap will be a bad memory. It’s gonna be hell getting there though.


4 posted on 08/26/2010 3:41:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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There’s not a good link.

But in any case, the text is wrong. This does not say that the EPA is requesting this—it says that the EPA is properly and legally handling requests of groups petitioning them.


5 posted on 08/26/2010 3:44:25 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Lead ammo considering ban on EPA.


7 posted on 08/26/2010 3:47:42 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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A more accurate and informative link

BTW, if this is considered within the scope of EPA's role in TSCA, there are far greater implications.

8 posted on 08/26/2010 3:48:22 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4

DISARMED GERMAN JEWS AND THE HOLOCAUST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9q9sxJFnA

“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that we will never need it until they come to take it away.” Thomas Jefferson

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
Sigmund Freud


9 posted on 08/26/2010 3:49:36 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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No. I will not comply. Please proceed to the next step.

/johnny

11 posted on 08/26/2010 3:50:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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What you DON’T see is that the ban on lead has already been in place in electronics. Considering that the electronics industry uses less than 3% of the world’s lead consumption in solder, this is attacking a truly insignificant target.

The ramifications? Well, there is only one element known to man that will prevent Tin (Sn) from crystalizing and forming ‘whiskers’ that grow to sized as large as 1/4 inch or longer. What is that magical element, you ask? Why Lead (Pb).

So, after 5-7 years your new Plasma TV will quit working all of a sudden, as will your pacemaker, jets, car computer, microwave oven. Why? Because somewhere inside the electronics a tiny Tin whisker will sprout and shoot in a random direction - possibly just sticking in the air; or possibly shorting against another leg of a chip.

So, while your cell phone may be perfectly functional, a large percentage of them will be rendered inoperable in 5-7 years due to Tin Whiskers.

This effort was lead by the European weenies, and the People’s Republic of California jumped on the bandwagon too. Today, you cannot buy a chip, resistor, capacitor or inductor that has Lead in the solder. There are currently over 2,000 Lead-free solders on the market - none of which work better at making and keeping an electrical connection as good as old fashioned solder - and all will sprout whiskers in 5-7 years and cause a failure.

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn’t it?


12 posted on 08/26/2010 3:52:39 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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I’m not even sure the barrel on my shotgun is steel compliant?

But, yeah - the wildlife in our Dove fields are all dying of lead poisoning because of the past 75 years of shooting we’ve done out there...
(sarc)

Does this count for bullets that have a lead core, but a copper or steel wash? Because there is only one or two shotgun shell brands in America that are actually 100% copper or steel shot... that I know of?

It seems that least 95% are just copper or steel wash over a lead core.

And the 100% stuff is... what... $25/box versus $8.50 for my AA’s?


13 posted on 08/26/2010 3:53:02 PM PDT by Noamie
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They are worried about lead entering the environment? Where do they think lead comes from in the first place?


14 posted on 08/26/2010 3:53:29 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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If this gets passed, there are going to be a lot of government employees dying from lead poisoning, me thinks.


15 posted on 08/26/2010 3:54:12 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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Appearance:
Small, white to blue-gray metallic shot or granules.
Odor:
Odorless.
Solubility:
Insoluble in water.
Density:
11.34
pH:
No information found.
% Volatiles by volume @ 21C (70F):
0
Boiling Point:
1740C (3164F)
Melting Point:
327.5C (622F)
Vapor Density (Air=1):
No information found.
Vapor Pressure (mm Hg):
1.77 @ 1000C (1832F)
Evaporation Rate (BuAc=1):
No information found.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 3:54:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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The ground work for this was laid out by Teddy (the fish) Kennedy about 20 years ago. The ban of lead shot for Federal Migratory birds was his inspiration to go further.
18 posted on 08/26/2010 3:58:25 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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I am working as a lead inspector right now. If you do any renovations to your pre-1978 home you got to worry about lead exposure. This is their end-game, to ban bullets.


19 posted on 08/26/2010 3:59:37 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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Øbama is Banning the Bullets. Look who is behind it and what you can do about it ... we really need a lot of folks signing this GOVERNMENT petition and commenting against this move. Thanks.
22 posted on 08/26/2010 4:04:30 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (If you aren't at Obama's Table, you are probably on the MENU! - The Patriot's Flag)
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The institutionalization of “the regulated society” constitutes, and becomes more clearly now, as an assault on “representative government” as the only legitimate vehicle for making law.

We can and we should end this.

How?

1. Reduce every federal agency’s regulation writing powers to mere advice and recommendation to Congress.

2. Require each such advice and recommendation be limited to a single point, and be made as specific, unambiguous and detailed as possible, leaving no gray area as to what the idea would mean when enforced as law.

3. Require Congress to hold Committee hearings and public hearings before the advice is formalized as prospective legislation.

4. Require Congress to hold Committee hearings and public hearings on the formal legislation once it is drafted and before a Committee votes to send it out to the floor.

5. Require 2/3 majority votes, in both houses, to make any such recommendations from such agencies the law.

6. Move all “enforcement” powers to separate divisions of the Justice Department (since it is clearly defined law and not a “regulatory” gray area).

That would make outfits like the EPA, FDA, SEC, IRS etc., “advisory” bodies to Congress and the President but with no power to affect law themselves.

Right now, Congress has delegated YOUR RIGHT to legislation through representative government, in many areas, to “regulatory agencies” (IRS, EPA, etc., etc.) who only need “do there own thing” (their own process of reviews and hearings, write their own legislation [regulation] and then publish it in the Federal Register) where it becomes LAW not by Congressional action, but by default, by Congress simply doing nothing. Yes, Congress can change it, after the fact, or even (more rarely) by making it clear before hand that they will block the regulation.

The problem is that Congressional action IS after the fact and NOT pro-active, intense, complete and concise BEFORE HAND.

Your REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT rights are INTENTIONALLY removed from the process of creating law by regulatory fiat, because REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT denies that the elites know better than everyone else, and it’s messy and it’s full of political debate and it requires compromise and it’s not a sure thing.

Well, in THIS Republic isn’t that what it’s supposed to be in order for something to become law???


26 posted on 08/26/2010 4:12:00 PM PDT by Wuli
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The recent low crime statistics coupled with high firearm sales numbers have blown a whole in the entire gun control mythos.

Liberals were WRONG about welfare reform, WRONG about gun control ( it's MORE guns, LESS crime that's the truth) wrong about education, WRONG about the economy -- and everything else. Who's left stupid enough to vote for them?

28 posted on 08/26/2010 4:14:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (TIME Magazine - - a conserve-a-phobe publication.)
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The recent low crime statistics coupled with high firearm sales numbers have blown a whole in the entire gun control mythos.

Liberals were WRONG about welfare reform, WRONG about gun control ( the truth? MORE guns equals LESS crime...) wrong about education, WRONG about the economy -- and everything else. Who's left stupid enough to vote for them?

29 posted on 08/26/2010 4:15:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (TIME Magazine - - a conserve-a-phobe publication.)
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The link provided is to the EPA’s docket where you can read the request for yourself.

Other Links:
NRA’s Response
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6004

NSSF’s Response
http://www.nssfblog.com/epa-considering-ban-on-traditional-ammunition-take-action-now/

AP Article
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCramAIeFnoLFi0z49hPQAC6CrPQD9HC84U80


32 posted on 08/26/2010 4:26:19 PM PDT by agee
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Pretty soon, only government and criminals will have lead bullets. How will we be able to tell them apart?


34 posted on 08/26/2010 4:33:15 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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